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Stockholm Syndrom ....

Of all the ineffective things an abused woman does, both consciously and unconsciously, to make her relationship with her partner less painful to her, collusion is both the most subtle and the most destructive to her. This is when an abused woman begins to distort reality to fit her partner's view of it indicates that her perception is loosing total focus.

One of the strongest collusion hooks there is in an abusive relationship is one of which is to make her believe that she is at fault for "EVERYTHING" that goes wrong between them ....

Is that what the person meant when they said "Melanie was the way she was and that is why Melanie is dead????

Someone needs to seriously take a look at that abuseive statement .... and since most of the abuse issues are stembed from childhood and continues on ito adulthood.... I think some serious soul searching should be attempted to clear up that distorted view as well. I am almost convinced that Melanie not only lived in an abusive home with her husband, but I am beginning to feel that she had an ongoing abusive relationship with the rest of the husbands family as well.

Hope everyone is prepared for a Grand Jury indictement. This is what it is coming too.

When you have a clean and tidey crime scene and you have no damage to certain nerve fibers in the brain and peripheral nervous system, you have to rule out "sudden sniffing death" .....

When you have no damage to the soft tissue around the neck and arteries or blood vessel breakage in the eyes..you rule out strangulation.....

When there is nothing found blocking the airway that would choke the victim ... you have to rule out obstruction of the airway passages...

BUT, when you have small pinpoint hemorrages on the palate, gums, and on the tongue, bruises around the mouth and small lacerations on the lips .....

YOU CAN NOT RULE OUT HOMICIDE!

Naww....you got the freudian slip all messed up....
It's called "Typos" Typographical errors

hahaha!

They called it an undetermined death...because all the evidence would have been at the crime scene to prove what might have killed her ... since the crime scene was to perfect the only other possible way she could have died would have been asphyxial suffocation by someone covering her mouth and nose cutting off all her oxygen!

That is where all the bruising around her mouth came from and the cut on her lip. Pressure being applied to her face.

Then if you take it to the crime scene .... how could she attempt to killing herself with out a trace of evidence ....

The crime scene was to clean..... it's not what was there their trying to hide. It is what wasn't there they are hideing.

That is why the crime scene photos came up missing, because there was no evidence of Melanie "Huffing" anything. If she was huffing paint or some form of chemicals ...she would have died with them laying right next to her body.... but there was nothing in the bedroom .....
that is why they had to get rid of the crime scene pictures....nothing to prove she died huffing any chemicals....
no OD medications we located which would have also been found in the system. See...when pll huff chemicals and they die from asphyxiation using them ...all that will show up in the autopsy! ....

Melanie wasn't a "huffer" ...plain and simple. With "Sudden Sniffing death" volatile solvents such as toluene damages the protective sheath around certain nerve fibers in the brain and peripheral nervous system.

These damages are clinically similar to that seen with multiple sclerosis. Both pathologists ruled out any signs of conditions that would be related to what you would see with a "Sudden Sniffing death" victim.

This is why it would be determined "Homicide by exclusion"
Absolutely every thing was excluded but "HOMICIDE!"

Yeah....I thought the "huffing" idea was a little lame too, since there just wasn't enough evidence in the autopsy to support it ....

You know what they say about bloodhounds don't you....they can smell the skin cells off of a human being transported for miles and miles away....some have been known to travel across the country following a scent....
That was a freudian slip too!

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No...No...No.... You misunderstood their message. They didn't want you to write into Kim....

The last sentence said...
"This is to kim", if you know anything please come forward because what you know will ruin your life if you do not come forward.
That is the basics of the sentence. No one was asking any one to tell Kim anything. They was asking Kim to give up and tell what she knows.

It's just a huge paragraph and the last sentence is just running into the rest of the of it...

It's ok....it will be ok, just take a deep breath. Lots of emotion and torment with all of this. Just relax, it wasn't meant the way it ran together on the page.

Resp:BELOW how dar you ask if any one knows anything about Roberts case to write to kim.if any one knows about this case is kim and she owes Roberts families alot of answers so PLEASE SPARE ME YOUR B.SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
If we have to write to KIM about any thing we know then we can all forget about this site its just become useless.

In reguards to Robert Mireles and if he was married before, and if she had a hand in it. Mr. Mireles was married before and his first wife never lived next to Mark Macracken nor does she even know him in a personal level. This marriage had nothing to do with his second marriage. 2 daughters were left behind one from his first wife and one from his second. He was a daddy, and that was cut short with a lot of questions lingering behind. Everyone on this site has something in common they all lost people they love very much, with many unanswered questions. I admit it all seems crazy when you start to look at all of the facts. None of the families asked to be hurled into this situation but they were, grieving has not been a normal process for any of these families especially for his teenage daughter from his first marriage. These are now the living victims. I wish there was not a need for these sites and that no one had to stop and think this is crazy. Please remember each of these cases are not normally and need to be looked into. It is taking so long and each day that it takes keeps the families from remembering there sons and daughters, brothers, and sisters, and fathers and mothers as they should be remembered. His first wife did give a deposition and was also interviewed by Dateline. Not to mention was followed for several months and pushed off the road with threats to her life made upon her and her family, it is not safe for anyone seeking the truth. If everything these people are saying are all lies then why are people dieing, and their lives being threatend. To Robert Mireles: I will always honor and respect you, and love you. I miss you and I pray for your family especially your Children everyday. In my prayers all of these people will be remebered as they should. I would ask that everyone take heart and think of the families that were left behind!! They are now the Vicims that must live this tragedy everyday. Please if anyone knows anything reguarding these cases write in. To Robert's second wife Kim, please come forward and say what you know. Think about the children, think about why you are losing ground on a daily basis. God bless all of the faimiles of the to the Victims of violent crimes

Funny, up until a couple of days ago there is NO mention of "huffing" anywhere. Freudian Slip! Yes Melanie said she could take her own life and no one would no how, but this is the first I have ever heard of her "huffing". Good investigating! Keep up the good work!

we will sift through the lies eventually...

Hang in there Christi ..we love you, support you and will get to the truth or the lies what ever comes first.

Yet...If anyone is interested in finding the a good explanation of Melanie's symptoms of illness which was also posted back in March about her being always ill and had 40 Doctors....

Try reading "Women Who Love Men, Who Hate Them!" It is very infomational and it describes the illness symptoms abused women go through to stuff and hide their anger for the abuse they are suffering....it describes all the psychological symptoms of how they constantly try every way to please their abusive mate and always fail. What ppl do not understand about Domestic Violence is that it is the most torturious psychological living hell that no one should have to ever go through .... And if you want to really read about some psychological messed up ppl....then you are introducing yourself to the profile of an "abusive" mate.

Reading and studying the abusive psychological attempts that an abusive mate puts their victim through is the most suffering torture of a victim, I have ever seen in America today!

There are lots of books with excellent information about abused women and the emotional and psychological symptoms of a victim of DV.

Dateline has already paid for their copy of the autopsy. It just isn't finished yet. Dale Claycomb died January 28, 2003. Ten days after his mother. He was do to return to work the next morning. When he didn't show, his work sent out a "welfare check" - the police to make sure everything was okay.

The "accidental hanging" is a polite way of saying "Autoeratic Asphyxia". It is nice that they call it "accidental hanging" on the death certificate. Dale left behind a six year old daughter that doesn't need AEA listed on the death certificate. She will find out later, but later is better than sooner.

This is Christi (daughter-in-law). When we have the autopsy report which should be released in the next couple of days, we will have some of our questions answered or not.

Exactly how it was done, i.e. with an "aparatus" or belt or rope or just what. Blood alcohol levels, etc. We are also getting copies of the pictures of the scene - which I am NOT looking forward to.

We really appreciate you people. You have given us strength you may not know about. Thanks

What's interesting about Melanie's crime scene was this....
Have you ever heard of a crime scene being cleaned up to well. For instance if you were going to kill someone and you wanted it to look like they did it to themselves...and in Melanie's case it appears that it was suppose to look like she used an inhalant to do it. I assume this was the intentions of the statement from the poster meant, back on March 2 postings.... when they said "She said she could kill herself without any one knowing how she did it!"

But if she was using an inhalant there would have to be some form of evidence...like a paper bag or spay paint can; yet with spray paint you would have some form of chemical compound left on the face around the mouth and possibly on the hands and arms from the residue.

The crime scene was apparently perfect. No drugs were found in the home. No gas cans were left by the bed. No huffing material what so ever to indicate that Melanie was trying to asphyxiate herself in any way. Of-course if you think about it ....a clean scrime scene such as this wouldn't look very appropriate in crime scene photos either because ...again it would be a crime scene way to clean to fit sucide and if she had no drugs in her system..... no bodily injury ....

No damage to her soft tissue around her neck and throat area. No tissue that indicates disease ......oh chemical asphyxial diagnosis...
Yet something cut off her wind?

This is going to the grand jury.....
Homicide by exclusion....

They tried to make it look like an Autoerotic Asphyxial suffocation. Which is considered an accident.

There again, no investigation. They came in, they looked, they saw, they closed. It was pretty quick. But things at the scene came up missing. We don't have all the details at this point. We are waiting for information from Mrs. Claycomb (Daughter-in-law). This accidental hanging was fairly recent, within the last 5 months, which is approximately the same time they exhumed Melanie's body for a second autopsy.

So questions are being raised at the moment. One post indicated that Claycombs autopsy was going to be sent in to Dateline.

I dont understand what does accidental hanging mean?and how does one accidental hang them salf? give me a break.

The Claycomb case NOT being thrown out. Trust me. Sometimes, timing is everything.

Approximately 6 yrs later(long enough to ignore the danger zone) at the same time Melanie's body was going to be exhumed, Dale Claycomb; another parametic who was also present at the scene of the McCracken car crash, wrote in deposition, Mark McCracken was "Feigning unconsciousness" upon arrival at the crash site. He mysteriously comes up dead by another form of Asphyxial suffocation. Again NMSP took over that investigation and called it an accidental hanging.

By now you should be falling out of your chair!

Oh....and for the LEO who's interest in this case has overwhelmed him; Robert Mireles was a paramedic that had information leading to Melanie McCracken's death, indicating proof there were numerous 911 calls that came from the McCracken home prior to her death.

The 911 call sheets were to be turned over to Dateline the following day. But Robert was rendered unconscious in the middle of the night and strung up by the rafters in their garage while (wife) Kim stepped out for a bit to eat (Shortly afer having a nice dinner in Albuquerque) and when she returned her husband had been hung and his brief case and computer containing information about Melanie's case was missing. NMSP investigated that death too, with some of the same officers involved in other cover-up cases. They called it suicide!

Back to business....

C/O Dale Claycomb, NMSP Cover-up. We can not express to you how important it is to get your Father-in-laws case on Realcrimes website. That is extremely important to you and your family. This gives us one more case against the corruption of the system. Lets all work together to get to the truth. DO NOT THROW THIS CASE OUT! You have to many questions. Work for the best answers possible....even if you just get a bunch of lies! Thats what we want. We want to look at their lies!

Realcrimes will help you with the Narrative!



And .... What about Kim Mireles?
We don't want to neglect her!

People protest about a lot of things. Some protestings are and can be in favor of an issue that can move mountains. Make this one of them. I promise you that once you begin to move out of your personal realms and join forces ....others will come.

Thats human nature.....
The numbers will grow.
So will your cause.

That is the whole point ..... because we have such a VIP community involved with drug trafficking ...Numbers in voices can change things. Make it harder for them to participate....

That is why I am saying to build a program ...and work to create a huge one. The minute these voices get huge in numbers ...the minute you will see our politicians behavior have to go through a radical change.

We have to get ppl in here first to clean up this state. That is your first and most important task at this moment. Do that by forming a huge voice .... write letters but make the letters from an organization .....a growing organization that extends into other states.

I am not trying to make it sound easy...... I just want you to see there can be other creative ways to fight and you don't have to fight it alone. You can fight it together.

Thank you very much for clearing up the confusion. I wasn't sure to the exact details on the polygraph but I new someone would come to the rescure.

Thank you. We just want to details to be clear but we needed you to give us that information.

As in responce to the to the LEO, the fact remains that Mr. McCracken failed the first testing upon the first exam. There should have been an administrative leave until the investigation was under way but ....there was no investigation. When the Pathologists said death "Undetermined" the NMSP closed the case immediately.

Response: to comments on the polograph issue.
After hearing that MR Mc Craken failed the first test and a second test was given where questions were modified thier is no question in my mind that a cover up hapened.
I would be very much intrested in qualified polograph examiners in commenting on this.
To my knowldge when a person fails the test or a question, that question is again asked exactly the same way, and in fact several diferent ways to discover the truth.The question is never deleated. If that would have occured in the departments were I worked the officer at very least would be on administrative leave, not promoted.

As the investigator who has worked on behalf of the Grice family and the Houston family, there are a couple of things that need to be stated to clear up some confusion.

1) The second polygraph given to McCracken was given by the same polygrapher who did the first polygraph. The second test was given immediately after the first test. According to the national association of polygraphers, the second test should have been rescheduled for another day and given exactly the same as the first test was given, same questions, same format. Two former heads of this national organization have said that the dictation of questions and asking McCracken whether what he had written down was true instead of directly asking him questions invalidated the test. This type of test is only sanctioned for victims of serious violent crimes such as rape. This information was also confirmed by New Mexico's top polygrapher. There is now information coming forward that NMSP shopped for a polygrapher willing to find a specific result.

2) The second autopsy report did not identify any medications other than the Ibuprofen. The autopsy did find a trace amount of Arsenic, but that level was insignificant and no where near what it would take to cause Melanie's death.

3) A paramedic has already testified under oath to going on the calls to the house, and other individuals have come forward as well, so despite the lack of documentation of the calls there will be a significant amount of testimony detailing those calls.

4) A close personal friend and subordinate of McCracken's testified under oath that McCracken was indeed walking around at the accident scene. Further, the first witness on scene found McCracken seatbelted in and breathing on his own in the front seat. When the paramedics arrived, McCracken was lying down in a different area of the car. This too is all documented.

5) Melanie's underpants were clean and dry and her bladder empty. Being early August, it was still in the 90 degree range when the accident occurred. There were no sweat stains either.

Bill Houston, like Nancy Grice, is truly a role-model for people who have been in similar circumstances. He has pushed and pushed and been through some very low periods, but he has kept on. In the process he has become very savy. In fact, Bill has extended an invitation to Patricia Madrid, the attorney general, to join us at the domestic violence conference. His invitation comes less than a month after her office notified him that they would not help, since Bill questioned the investigation done by NMSP and the AG's office said point blank, we will not investigate them because we have to work with them.

Contrast that to the DA in San Francisco who has secured indictments against officers who beat someone up while off duty and has also indictment various people up the chain of command who helped cover up for the officers.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for Bill and Nancy. They have shown an inner strength that we all can look to for support.

Finally, in Stephanie's case, we have documentation that clearly shows the first responded officers believed her death was intentional. Why then, without interviewing anyone but Patrick Murillo, and prior to obtaining a search warrant for evidence collection from Murillo's truck did Mark McCracken tell the Albuquerque Journal that they had verified elements of Murillo's account. Incidentally, Murillo has given at least four different versions of the account, including that Stephanie was with him in the truck while they were driving and that when they argued he let her out of the vehicle. He also says that she was never in the car, having walked across the street and he followed in his truck.

The injuries to Stephanie were quite extensive, and she also had a black eye that was unrelated to being run over. That is why Dr. Enstice has serious doubts about Stephanie's death being accidental. Stephanie suffered and a broken arm (high in the arm) and bruising to her chest directly in line with each other. If that was caused by a tire than Murillo's story goes out the window. We have asked DPS to get someone to match the injuries to the vehicle. Stephanie also suffered impact to both legs at the area directly above the knee cap. These injuries do not appear to have come from hitting the ground as there was no road debris in them. Instead these injuries are remarkably at the same height as Murillo's bumper.

Lastly, I have believed so strongly in both Nancy and Bills quest, that I have not charged either of them a penny for my work in a very long time. I have to believe that ultimately justice will be served in both cases.

Mike Corwin

FROM THE WEB MASTER:

For those of you who have posted messages for the father of Stephanie and Crystal Houston -- it's difficult for Mr. Houston to respond in a timely manner, because he doesn't have a computer. When he wants to post on this message board, he sends us his message by U.S. mail and we post it for him. We will mail him copies of your supportive responses, which are certain to mean a lot to him.

To the real crimes website. You might be suprised at what good you are doing in small and large doses.

I think you will be suprised in the coming months and this New Year what a difference you have made for these families here in NM.

God Bless you for your services.

Picket the state capital and the attorney generals office. Form a big group and be docile about it. Take the Media with you as you go. if your not allowed to picket to long .... thats ok...just picket long enough to get it on TV. Use the media to your advantage.

make catchy signs like ..... cover-ups in NM we want justice..... if you have the families there ....everyone is open to interviews and you don't have to tell your whole story but tell enough that the message goes to the right ears....

FROM THE REAL CRIMES COMMITTEE:

To the person who stated, "I know about 4 other families right this very minute that are victims of the same thing who have lost their children to the same kind of situation here in the state of NM.... that have no idea this website exists."

Please, inform those people about this web site. If a case is appropriate for this site, we will be glad to work with the family to get their story into the proper format and link it to documentation. There is no charge for this.

This site is beginning to receive national attention. Having a case posted here is not necessarily going to get it solved, but at least it will prevent it from being buried and forgotten.

NOOOoooo please don't give up....the Holy Spirit will guide you....Please don't give up. Stand togehter makes it less dangerous. When you work alone is when you place yourselve in danger.

Stand up together and be heard.

These are not signs of love

1) Jealousy
2) "KEEPING YOU AWAY from FAMILY and friends"
3) Argumentivness
4) Any kind of physical force---pushing, scratching, holding down, grabbing your shoulders and arms....
These are the bruises that paramedics saw on Melanies shoulders!
5) calling you names..."is that what you mean when you refered to Melanie as a "Bitch from Hell!"
6) Putting her down ..... Melanie's problems all stemmed from her relationship with her mother???? I think everyone of you should be ashamed of your selves.
Every single one of you who came on this page and put Melanie down, saying she was dead because she was the way she was ....every single one of you should be held partly responsible for her death.
7) Embarrassing her in front of other
isn't that what you were doing Mark when you told your co-workers that melanie was a Fatal Attraction and you only stayed with her so she could have insurance.....
8) Nice one minute, angry the next
9) threatens to hurt you and threatens to hurt you if you don't cover the bruises you have on your body .... with others who notice them...
Call it Leukeimia ?????
10) Telling her that she is stupid, ugly and worthless
"Is that what you were doing to Melanie .....when you were leaving notes and cards around for her to find from other women you associated with?
Did you play them against Melanie to hurt her?

I saw a special on the investigations of the murders of Tupac and Notorious B-I-G. Notorious was killed in LA. The LA officer had been one for 15 years. When he started to investigate the murder he was blocked at every turn and could not get answers. His belief was that an LAPD officer carried out the hit put on Notorious. He ended up quitting the force and telling Notorious's mother that she will never get answers about her son's death.

If a seasoned officer cannot get answers about his own force and ends up quitting, are we realistic about getting answers in NM when we are not officers ourselves?

What does the FBI say? I believe we should keep going, and I am a family member with a lot of resources and I plan to keep going. But I have received two phone calls telling me that it is extremely dangerous and the corruption is far reaching - even outside the NMSP.

My heart breaks for Mr. Houston. I am not sure how he keeps going after having two daughters murdered one year apart. Maybe that is what keeps him going. I think the rest of us need to keep going even if he can't or ESPECIALLY if he can't. Mr. Houston, you are in my prayers.

With FBI concentrating on the war on terrorism, how will we get them to look our way?

Ok...here is your start....

Mr. Houston and Mrs. grice please...please attend this meeting.
Cause for Alarm: The Danger of Domestic Violence.
The forum will be held on April 23, 2003
The forum is free, but seating is limited. Reserve a spot by April 18th.

Lt. Go. Diane Denish, NM first lady Barbara Richardson, Albuquerque Womens Resourse Center founder of Sherolyn Smith-Desantis.

Both of your children were going to leave their mates and died before they could get away from them.

Please everyone who's family was murdered by an abusive mate in NM. ATTEND this meeting. Let your child's voice be heard here.

Do it...I urge you all to take a stand...make your cases more than just public.

Please Mr. Houston..... Please Mrs. Grice, start here go to this meeting.

call now to register.
247-3671
from 7pm to 8:30pm at the Sheraton Uptown in Albuquerque,
2600 Louisianna blv. NE
Albuquerque NM.

All of you who can attend that frequents this website, be there and begin to build your voices in the community.

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Since the Melanie McCracken case you find a little bit harder to swallow, due to the lack of Internal Affairs. Why don't you take a peek at the Stephanie Houston case which McCracken worked as a scene supervisor. Apparently the officers first on the scene were convinced that Stephanie had been killed and so was the Forensic Pathologists, who repeatedly asked State to do an investigation because Stephanie was so tore up; also felt like the young woman had been struck intentionally by the front of the man's vehicle. Yet McCracken yanked it out of the first officers on the scene and called it an accident.

If you feel after you read this story that Stephanie had just slipped and fallen under the small trailer tire (the boy friends setup for playing local bands in the area) would cause this kind of damage to her body........

I WANT TO KNOW!

Read these Families stories ..... Look at their living hell.

There was a polygraph taken. Officer McCracken had a hard time passing it. So he was issued another test and questions were raised about the credibility of the polygraph examiner whom state selected.

There is more to the polygraph testing. His first test score was to low (-4). So NMSP had to have him do a test re-take. But the new testing was giveing by a new polygraph examiner and it was not given in the same respects as the first polygraph he inittially failed.The second testing was a little better and was taken as acceptable. Yet I believe the questions surrounding Melanies death were somewhat eliminated on the second testing and that would violate polygraph standards in other states and other departments.

As a ex law enforcement officer from other states I find it hard to understand how a law enforcment officer could have commited a crime and remaain as a law enforcment officer.
I have attended and graduated from police academies in two different states and also with in the military.
The first thing that happens after you are invoulved in a shooting or there is a question about your invoulvment in a crime , you are required to take a lie detecter test. You have no choice. If you decline you are removed from the department. Thier should be no way for any one to remain on the police department with these typs of accusation's as in the Mc Craken case. New Mexico sure seems to be a country unto its self in this matter.

I would like everyone to know, by the implications of the McCracken Family about Melanies death; indicating there were 2 other drugs found in her system, was implying these 4 things. I hate to ruin your insinuations Officer McCracken, that your wife Melanie was a huffer, but here it goes .....

* Asphyxiation from repeated inhalations, which lead to high concentrations of inhaled fumes displacing the available oxygen in the lungs. "Can be detected" in the blood and lungs and soft tissue upon autopsy.

* Suffocation from blocking air from entering the lungs when inhaling fumes from a plastic bag placed over the head. "can be detected" in the blood and lungs upon autopsy.

* Choking from inhalation of of vomit after inhalant used. "can be detected" in blood, lung and tissue.

OHHH this next one I really like.....

* Fatal injury from accidents, including motor vehicle fatalities while intoxicated.

Sorry Mark, this can also be detected in the blood lung and tissues of the victim.

Your wife was not an Inhalant huffer! Volital solvents such as toluene damagees the protective sheath around certain fibers in the brain and peripheral nervous system. This extensive destruction of nerve fibers is clinically similar to that seen with neurological diseases such as multiple sclerosis. Inhalants are also highly toxic to other organs such as the heart, lungs, liver, and kidneys.

That is what Dr. Smailek and Dr, Zumwalt meant when they did not detect any abnormal tissue damage of any kind when they described Melanie as a healthy young woman and is why they called her death "undetermined" and would put at the top of their list a "violent assault" .....

Sorry to pop your bubble baby....but Melanie did nopt kill herself by huffing Inhalants because it would have been detected in the autopsy.
Every death involved in the McCracken case has been staged in every form of Asyphxiation death possible to kill each victim. We have the Inhalant method, suicide hanging method, and the Autoerotic asphyxiation method. These pathologists know what is going on here. These are methods are undetectable, without a homicide investigation. Someone's going down, Luis Brown, right a long beside the rest of them.

OK Families of Murdered Children, Please start your program for "Families against Organized Crime in Law Enforcement corruption and cover-ups!"

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There is 18 families on this website out of NM alone....Gosh that says a lot. Add 10 more from various counties around the state ....then add 6 more ...... Your looking at 34 families ....Allow families who have never done what you ppl have done, to know who you are and to feel some kind of support and whatch them come out of the wood works ....begin to gather in meetings and I know the numbers will grow.

Start a petition like a "homicide" task force; get signatures and force these jurisdictions to participate and identify your boundaries. People will sign it, I promise you that. Request and select an Officer from each jurisdiction and force them to work as a committee authorized by guidelines that over see cases which involves suspiciousness in another departments. Such as the McCracken case and others that have been allowed to run their investigations when an officer from their departments are participating in to many bizare and closely related cases.

It takes team work and a lot of effort, but you can do it. Reach out to the retired "Law Enforcement" officers; look into the backgrounds of their careers. Some of them would love to help. Sometimes it gets in their blood and they want to be apart of programs that include their expertise.

We have the War on Drugs, The War on Terrorism, The War on Mothers against drunk drivers.
Make a war against "Families against Oranized Crime and corruption"

Listen the president just called out a war on organized crime....use it to your advantage and raise this issue in this state and make it such a big issue that it has to be looked at.

I say this because ..... I know about 4 other families right this very minute that are victims of the same thing who have lost their children to the same kind of situation here in the state of NM.... that have no idea this website exsists and would come to every meeting you set up if they only knew.

Don't allow them to do this to you.....Don't allow them to do this to your children. Everyone of you on this website. Do it in your own state if your not from NM .....

Do it together ...Create a National program and everyone participate.
I saw Greggs mother say ...even if she was to die tomorrow she would leave a piece of herself behind to continue to find the truth....
All of you feel this same divide strength though the love of your child.

Make this website huge....bring people from all over to meet and fight this war. Scream and yell from the top of your lungs "WE are not going to take this anymore"

Form a group! Advertise and call in all the parents of Murdered children. I bet you will be suprised of all the voices that come forward that no one ever knew exsisted. Plan meetings coordinate times and places to meet. Right letters to the Governor ...to the Attorney Generals office.
Look what program MADD "Mothers against Drunk Drivers" has become. Find advocates or create them. MAKE YOUR VOICES BE HEARD....

Look at all your "Broken Hearts" ... let your Childrens voices be heard through you!

See the size of this mess.....now you know what you are up against when you begin to fight the system ...... this is what is happening to your children. This is what is happening to our state setting on the Border of Old Mexico.

What I am trying to point out here .... is the "SIZE" of your war.
You all have to ban together. You can not fight it alone. It's not just Nancy Grice or Bill Houston against the corruption. It is all these chidrens families.
Organize.... like mothers against drunk drivers. What about Families against "Drugs and Organized Crime!" Your all trying to work it alone, your voices are to small with an organization so huge if you try to work each one of your childrens murders alone.
BAN TOGETHER! Form one big huge voice so you can be heard!

God Bless you all!

OHHH.....I forgot to tell you all about the book! The book that is being given to various High school students in certain areas of the state. Santa Fe has a copy. It's called "Teens and Drugs" .... very interesting material in it. Tells you how to put a meth lab together and what chemicals to buy. Gives times and tempatures to cook your chemicals ....gives information where to by all the materials you need to build one. Tells you where to get grow lights, how to maintain an indoor crop of marijuana and how to harvest it and all you would need to know to become a drug trafficker in the state of NM.

Now you know what you are up against!

Organized crime is an interesting vein, so are those 10-50 that you mentioned Patrick! Moves it's way on into APD. From the border of Mexico at El Paso, Anthony, Las Cruces, Los Lunas ..... right up the corridor through Socorro, on into Albuquerque, Santa Fe (I know a few SFPD officers working the Plaza right this minute selling drugs to the kids) right on into Rio Arrbia county on into colorado shheeeesh..... need I say more.

Sure ...no dought in my mind there could not be at least 50 or so involved. Who ever gets in their way, for what ever reason ..... Kaitlyn Arquette, Peter Klunk, Sal Martinez, Stephan Harr, Gabino Venegas, Melanie McCracken, Stephanie Houston, Crystal Houston, Robert Mireles, Dale Claycomb.

Almost like a domino effect isn't it......right?
Mark McCracken, Art Ortiz, Luis Brown, Damon Fay, Kim Mireles, ....and God only knows how many more!

Of-course I am sure we have a lot more names than that located in Valincia County Sheriffs department, Socorro County Sheriffs department, Socorro PD, Belen PD, Sandavol County Sheriffs department, NMSP (my favorite) ..... Hmmmm! Feds and the DEA would have a great time here if they would just come on down and have a little visit.

Public is not all that stupid .... we know you boys don't make shit as officers and the love of money takes over your integrity, your consciousness, your morals, your principles, your values and the mere essence of life has no meaning what so ever to any of you once your caught in the middle of your "BLUE CODE OF SILENCE" and that almighty dollar! Its scew the public, screw your department, screw your family's and by all means ... sell your soul to the Devil!

Mr. Houston, I know you have every reason to just give up!

Please don't! Your children's deaths will not be in vain. I promise you that. Just keep moving forward. Keep doing what your heart tells you to do and I assure you every step you take will be proper.

Sometimes answer's come in the form of delays.
You don't want then to jail one of their proxies do you?
That means no drug trafficking money!

Aww....Mr Houston, I do see Crystal's case. I just haven't worked my way down that deep yet. But I have every intention of doing that. I think Crystal's murder connects right into this mess, but since we are working on juridiction issues and different counties, I know the process is going to be a little bit slower than I would wish it to be.

But since we have you on here, I hope if it is not to painful for you, if you would be interested in offering us some information on Crystals death.

Such as the names of the officers who took the call.... the OMI' anything leading up to her murder. I did read your summory but it was not as detailed as Stephanies....

Would you be so kind as to fill us in on a few more details?

We had another post back in Feb. Was an APD metro officer who was also sideing with the cover-up and validity of Mrs. Grice's attempt to find justice. The officer said he resented the fact that others claim that law enforcement were trained specifically to detect asphyial suffocations because of it's "Least detectable" signs of homicide on scene. He said he wasn't a McCracken groupie!

I fail to differ with that for the simple reason if he was in fact a metro APD officer he knows this case is definately a very questionable and suspicious one in deed.

I would bet money on it the post was made by non other that Damon Fay himself. Since Damon has such a great interest in this case for someone who isn't interested in McCracken.

Only one I see who appears to be suspicouly interested in McCracken ..is "Damon Fay." As I believe the brotherhood goes way beyond the call of duty as coming to the aid of a fellow officer in need, as he indicated his remorse for McCracken's loss of his wife. What cracks me up is that McCracken didn't even take a leave of absence for his time of mourning. Nor did his department insist he take a certain amount of time either ...just for the sake of some source of psychological grieving process.

Since he wasn't put on administrative leave and forced to do it. Which is crazy too. How many officers loose a loved one, where the department would not require some form of leave of absence?

There isn't any thing about this case .... that even the common person or an absolute stranger would not have over a 1000 unanswered questions. For an officer to post something like that .....got to be more than just an unbiasis abserver.....don't you think?

The Stephanie Houston case has been discussed on this message board, since it's linked to the Melanie McCracken case, (Lt.Mark McCracken, the suspect in Melanie's case was the scene investigator in the botched investigation of Stephanie's case). But you may not realize that another case on this board, Crystal Houston, was Stephanie's sister and was murdered one year after Stephanie.

This is from Bill Houston, the father of both Stephanie and Crystal. The New Mexico state lab has the DNA of the killer in Crystal's case. They've had it two years. At first the people at the lab told me that Crystal's case is not priority and they would do the testing when they got around to it if they did it at all. I keep on calling and calling, and now they tell me they can't do the testing until there is a court date. But the police say they can't arrest anybody until they get the testing back. It's a Catch-22.

I don't understand this. Some guy recently killed a kid in Moriarity, NM, and no court date has been set, and they haven't even charged the suspect with murder yet, but they say the DNA testing will be done in a few more days. Our family doesn't blame the parents of that poor kid for wanting to get their DNA testing first, but we don't understand why, if the lab can come through for them so quickly, the lab has had DNA for Crystal's case for two years and haven't bothered to do anything.

There is more wrong here in New Mexico than what we will ever know. The law enforcement here seems to get away with what they choose to. Everything is run their way and there's nothing any of us can do about it. What they say goes, and if you try to argue with them they can lock you up.

And ...we are all just bideing out time, waiting for all that information about Kim to be revealed! Lets say that Kim is out and about and Robert just happened to be one of the victims.

I don't think McCracken's family would go as far as to question him on the autposy report. For one thing that would make them look as if they were in fact suspicious of the events that night. I also don't think if they were suspicious of his character they would have it in themselves to confront him and check up on his story!

That would certainly prevent them from going to the extremes to obtain the real report. There has to be another report floating around that is altered. If not, then I don't think as many who claimed to have seen a report such as this exists. I would be more apt to think we have a few family members who frequent this website.

The report with 2 drugs does not exists. Yet, there are several attempts to claim it does. No one has ever produced a copy which is almost a sure fact that it don't exists or they do not have access to this particular copy.

Which makes me think there is an altered one and it is only provided as a proof of innocence and not made available as a copy for anyone to have access to it.

OR

It's a fabrication all together.

Everything that is said about kim fits very wall.and not everything has been brought out yet.

Has anyone ever Kim? Does she fit what people are saying about on here?

Anyone can get a copy of any autopsy report. It is public information. Does cost like $25. But it is public information and cannot be denied anyone but can charge for it.

Dateline has copy of RObert's and is getting one on Claycomb when available

Back in the middle of March we had an individual who insisted on there being 2 drugs in Melanie's system.

After going over this several times I believe there is in fact 2 autopsy reports. One I believe belongs to Stephanie Houston who had on her report the mention of 2 other drugs in her system.

The only one who could have access to both autopies is Mark McCracken himself, in the position that he holds. What I purpose is that one autopsy report which belonged to Stephanie Houston was altered to fit Melanie's autopsy for all those who claim to have saw an autopsy report that indicated more than Ibuprophen in her system. The alteration would not be that difficult for Mark with the help of a copy machine.

This is the only way possible that he has to cover-up his acts of crime to his family and friends. He has to have something to show them and since Melanie was his wife .... his family and friends have also the belief they have access to Melanie's autopsy report as well as Mark Himself, supporting his innocense.

For Stephanies Houstons report does have small traces of 2 different drugs in her system. Mark had access to her autopys report as well as he did Melanie's. But his family could only have access to Melanie's report through Mark.

Something to ponder!

RE: To th responce below about the adoption! Robert was in the process of adoption prior to his death. That was to be finalized the following Wed. prior to his death.

Well, What happened to Rodney Jones when he got shot? Was he a Bosque Farms officer who was on the McCraken seen out on NM 47? My understanding is that State Police convinced Bosque Farms PD Melanie's death was caused by the accident?

Rodney Jones may not have been involved initially with the McCracken case, but he sure seems to have had some kind of connection to Kim.

The rape picture don't look right either! I mean if you are playing around with more than one one officer ..... at the same time, and you got pregnant, how could she immediately assume it was Rodney's child and immediately take out after him. Maybe we have a fatal attraction situation going on here. Maybe the anger pointed towards Rodney has nothing to do with Rape. Maybe it has more to do with rejection?

Seems to me looking at Rodney's situation with Kim maybe be more enlightening than one would anticipate ......or suspect.

How did Rodney get shot? What is the story behind that?

Boy any way we look at this case it always seems to point to Kim and Mark.Kim if you have any kindness in your hart only you can come out into the open and do the right thing.for Robert Melanie and Claycomb And there family's Its never to late to do the right thing.

Suspecious suspecious susecious If Kim and Robert came home so late from eating dinner at sadies.Why would Kim want to go to wendy's to eat again?
There is to much wrong with that picture.

We have pretty much determined she was a player in Roberts death. How could she not have been.....but she had 2 ways to go. Let say for instance "Hypothetically" ..... she was innocent of any involvement .... wouldn't you come to the same conclusion that he was killed for his knowledge and information he had about the McCrackens hidden abusive relationship ...... specially when all the evidence disappeared that same evening. Wouldn't you reveal that to investigators???

That goes to show you she knew something what was up and she play'd her part in it!

What I find interesting is this ... "what goes around, eventually comes back around!" The truth is always revealed, maybe not tomorrow or the next day, but it will come to light. Her involvement will be exposed.

I think McCracken was playing around with a lot of different things and not just women when he was married to Melanie. But the way I have understood it ....is he was involved with the woman he is presently married too when Melanie died ????? That could be wrong and needs some clairification on that!

Yeah....how long does it take you to go to Wendy's anyway. Thats a drive up window. Maybe the stalling was longer than she indicated it was. Daddy seems to be kind of weird also. He seems to be on the front line, right along the daughter, collaborating with the involvement she has with eveyone.

Strange Church??? Thats interesting....

Well...I think that is great infomation ..... someone is really hitting the pavement out there. I think that is Wonderful. It brings a nicer picture when the gaps begin to fill in thats for sure.

There has been so much said about kim lately any one know if Melanies mom new her or anything about her or if melanie mightknow her or suspected her as the other woman.

Res:below. Its look very suspecious everyone knows kim always had alot of boy friends.did she have one whil married to Robert? some one below mentioned she wanted Robert to adopt her son .Did he?If so maybe she just
wanted SSI.and go on with a new life.It seem like she had alot to do with
that night and knows alot.

Going back to earlier comments, Rodney Jones was a police officer for Bosque Farms Police Department when Kim attempted to sue him, things fell through because the cops put too much heat on her so she backed down. Rodney worked the night shift, Kim's favorite time to shine.
As for the time frame that Robert died, someone had asked what were Robert and Kim doing up that late he night he was killed, and why would she suddenly leave the house? Kim and Robert had just come home late from eating dinner out at Sadie's in Albuquerque. Robert walke over to a neighbor house to pick up the kids that was also their babysitter. Robert came home, and put the kids to bed, and decided to work out to help him unwind. Kim made the suggestion around midnight to go get a little something from Wendy's, and Robert agreed. This is when everything took place.... After she found him hanging, Kim stated that she attempted to call 911 which never took place, she also stated that she tried to get a hold of Robert's brother, which also never happened, who could have gotten to the house to possibly perform CPR in time to save him, because he only lived 30 seconds away. Kim wasted precious time, as if to do it on purpose. Once police did arrive she faked a break down and had ambulance personnel take her away so as to not answer questions from investigating officers, giving her enough time to get her story together. The story which was constantly changing. Kim and her family were members of a strange church in Bosque Farms. The following day after Robert was killed they came to their home like a swarm of army ants and cleaned out the house taking everything but the kitchen sink. Why would they do this if they weren't trying to cover something up? Any normal mourning wife would have gradually gone through her husbands things and reminise of days gone by. Not Kim she was just trying to cover her but and leave nothing behind for anyone to question. What do you all make of this?

Thank you ...that was excellent. My feelings are, she wasn't a rookie, but may have not been seasoned either. Possibly a new detective??? Someone easily walked on, in a investigation by the older more experienced officers.

I'v had them do it and I have seen them do it. Just one of the wonderful examples of NM Law Enforcement.

Just like the Kailtyln Arquette case. Her mother struggles with the new officers who have come on the force that would like to help but are stone walled trying too.

Capt. Richardson of the NMSP said that she had joined the force after Melanie's death. I do not know how long after.

I do not know if she was a rookie. Being a detective rather than a uniform officer I would asuume not. But what do I know. I only know the Drs. doing to the autopsy. Dr. O'hara (a resident or fellow) and Dr. Nine. I do not know if Ortiz responded initially or not. When I get the autopsy report I hope I will know more.

Who was OMI for that case?

Was she a rookie?

Jolene Jones was the investigating officer for Claycomb

Do you know if he was involved in any of these other investigations?
Does any one know about Lt Lichtenberger NMSP?
What about the officers who arrived at the Mireles residence that night? Like Ortiz or any of these other names?
Keryte?

What about Claycomb?
Who was the NMSP officers who worked that case?

Jim Keryte was a NMSP at time of Me;anies death. Then became the Chief of Police in Isleta. Jim lived with Mark for awhile, because Jim was going through a divorce.

Ahhhhh! ..... he looks like NMSP!

Whats Keryte roll?
State, City, County, crimes scene???

What else can you dig up on "Jim Keryte" ..... ??????
Tell us about him ??

Ole Luis is a good ole boy to have around. With all the off duty, time he puts in!

I am tell you....you Guys are absolutley terrific. You don't miss a beat...and the puzzle just gets bigger and starting to have a nice picture. Keep up the wonderful work investigators.

If he investigated Roberts death......thats why it was called a suicide!

Great.....I knew Luis Brown was in it up to his neck....but I wasn't quit sure where his part came in. He seems to be a player as well. Maybe Luis knows more about the missing crime scene photos, than he says he does???

On the 2nd of April their was a post mentioning Luis Brown. Some interesting facts to ponder: Luis Brown, Art Ortiz, and Jim Keryte met at I-Hop pancake house,after they went to the hospital the night Melanie died. Then the three of them went to Mark's house after. What did they do there? All three of them are friends of Mark's. Something else that is very interesting is Luis Brown investigated Roberts death and Stephanie Houston (case also on this website). He wasn't even on duty these nights he voluteered to investigate these two cases. In the interview with Dateline Luis Brown was choking so bad it was embarrassing. He couldn't awnser why he didn't investigate the McCraken house when he went back, and couldn't explain why he didn't find any drugs other than asprin. Friends shouldn't let friends get away with MURDER.

What are you trying to get of the board?

OK...I got a good one. We may have to change out of this one too, but for now this one should work because I tried it.
sluethy@doglover.com

That one isn't going to work...let me find a better one....
I'll get back with you later

We are going to need an email and take this off the board.

contact me at;

your@burntmail.com

( : I thought this was appropriate!

GREAT!.....you do that.....I will cover the rest of it....you get the info ...I know what to do with it

Ya OK Iam with you I will hit the bricks and see if I can gather more
Later.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO RODNEY????>????

He got shot too....this is WILD!
Generally if the policy is less than 2 yrs old, they won't pay on suicides, but after the 2 yrs. are up the policy pays. The wife has a vested interest in the husband, therefore the insurance is proper and she collects.

You all know when Rodney Jones got shot awhile back?
Kim made statements stateing she wished and hoped the f----- would
die why would she say that?

Yes...she did claim rape ...but that must have fell through! ..... no money from there!

You don't scam a rape and try to sue a police department for money if your innocent?

Innocence would basically be to try to garnish his wages for child support or something like that!

Persuasive Visit at 2am in the morning? That don't fit. Maybe at 3pm or 6pm in the evening. But not 2am. Did she set her clock to get out of bed at 2am and leave?

Did she wake Robert and tell him she was going for a little drive? <

Well.....that theory will work too.....but Robert was hit in the head before he was hanged! I think that was earlier in another posting.

I'm the New Comer who posted the string of questions a few posts down from this one. I still have all those questions. Especially the one about where Kim was supposed to have gone when she left the house for 20 minutes at 2 a.m. or thereabouts while Robert was being hanged?

I don't buy into her being part of a murder plot. More likely, she told Mark what was planned and agreed to leave the house while he had some of his buddies drop by to persuade Robert not to talk to Dateline. Then she comes home, and there's her husband, hanging in the garage. I don't think that's what she expected. But once it's done she sure can't go to the cops about it, because its the cops who did it. And she's an accessory.

I don't think she'd be collecting insurance money because life insurance policies don't usually cover suicide. So, if she really does now suddenly have a lot of money, then a pay-off does seem like a possibility.

Yes indeed....Kim is a very busy little girl! And very comforted financially now!

Insurance policy might be an avenew?????
Either that or a hunk of drug money or maybe both????

Absolutely Excellent.....Just what I was hoping to see on this web site. Sorry folks about the "All mixed up stuff" but you know.
You guys have been wonderful!
Well....I magine Robert had an insurance policy don't you!

I just read that last post saying "Kim at one time wanted to sue Bosque Farms Police Department along with her dad claiming that Rodney raped her while he was on duty." Do you mean that Rodney (whatever his last name is) was ALSO a cop? So now we've got the Bosque Farms PD involved in this as well?

As for Rodney Jones, he is another poor soul suckered into believing that he was Dakota's father, yet Robert was so kind hearted to accept this boy as his own and make the commitment to adopt him. This was supposed to take place on that Wednesday of the week he was killed. Killed by the real father of this boy Mark..... Kim at one time wanted to sue Bosque Farms Police Department along with her dad claiming that Rodney raped her while he was on duty.

Boy, you people have everything all mixed up!!! Kim is the one who lived next to McCracken with her parents in Bosque Farms while she was dating Robert. Robert's first wife had nothing to do with any of this, she was the only one who was good to him. Kim is the only one who had her hand in the pot!! Do you know that she has just purchased a new home and brand new vehicle without even having a job? How is this possible? Anyone know???

To be honest with you. No one really knows what Melanie might have known. She might have had information that got her killed. She had plans on leaving him and she may have been just like Kaitlyn Arquette. She may have known far to much to have let her walk out that door alive!

Look at the power he has.....I have never seen anything like it. He has the same powers that Matt Griffin had over everyone around him. Who incidently was also a NMSP officer before he moved up to APD, killing Peter Klunk. Damon Fay has some great importance for Mark McCracken, just like Matt Griffin was a great importance to others in the realm and world of Law Enforcement corruption.

This is why the Poster of Feb27th knew that Mark was not a "Phandering husband". For as much as she has told him how much she loves him and do anything in the world for him, he rejected her still.

What is so sad here, is you see a man who destroys peoples lives in so many ways. Making promises to someone he knows he will never want. Yet she holds on trying to prove how much she loves him and he manages to continue to string her small mind around his little finger.

What a sad thing to see someone caught under his sadistic powers and how he can get them to respond for him, through the deception of his twisted love for her, he convinces her to participate in his plot to kill her husband!

Well.....of-course they are good friends! Kim Mireles has always been in love with Mark McCracken. But he married Melanie. She could even be the mother of his child, but still he has never offered to take her as his mate. So she remains devoted to him and he promises her everything and gives her nothing. Remarries.....Kim marries Robert. Melanie comes up dead and Mark is a suspect. Robert comes up with information that could prove the abuse that was occurring in the home of McCrackens. Kim knows this information exists....so she takes her relentless love to Mark ..... and Robert is killed and the proof of abuse from the 911 calls walks out the door. He was only suppose to be rendered unconscious and the items removed out of his possession....was probably how it was explained to her.....but it was in fact a hit on Robert. But the courting continues on all levels .....and Kim has become an accessory to a murder and Mark still strings her along for her devotion!

Kim Mireles use to be McCrackens neighbor!

Kim Mireles was Roberts wife!

Who is denying facts that everyone knows was on those 911 call sheets? Is also the same person who is denying they ever saw EMS at McCrackens home?

You have one person (claiming to be a neighbor) deny there was parametics ever seen at the McCracken home.

You have 911 call sheets that disappeared!

Who is the person denying the facts that were on the 911 call sheets?????

The neighbor!

The point being made here has nothing to do with the EMS calls that indicated numerous visits to the household. The calls were made and there was EM service over there and someone whom was their neighbor also knows they had been there ..... but are denying there was ever such calls made and never any sign of parametics showing up at the McCrackens home.

Since the truth was in the paper work that Robert Mireles had in his possession, there is only this one individual who would know it existed and that is was stolen from the home the night of Roberts death.....

That would be Kim Mireles herself!

Your questions are legitimate. We are also wanting to get the entire facts of the that night Robert Mireles death. Yet, we had a post indicating there was a person who claimed to be McCrackens neighbor and in his defence of innocence ....they claim they never saw any EMS at the McCracken residence while they were living as neighbors. But a post was made back on Feb 27th which indicated they were the neighbors or McCrackens. The disappearance of the 911 calls and other information shows facts Melanie was visited by EMS on several occassions and Robert Mireles had these facts in his possession .... with the intentions of turning them over to Dateline interview.

So who is the neighbor denying the existance of numerous 911 calls and EMS residential visits .... unless it has to be someone who knows at this point this information can not be located and therefore can not be followed up on?

Only one person who would know that! The neighbor or Robert Mireles wife????

Which says the possibility of the post on the 27th could in fact be Mrs. Mireles herself ..... knowing the 911 call sheets have disappeared because they were removed from her husbands possession the night of his death. For the 911 sheets are verifying some very important information...important enough to loose your life over!

I'm new on this board and am trying to make sense out of the timing of all this. Please, correct me if I've got it wrong.

Kim (who was not yet married to Robert Mireles)was living next door to Mark and Melanie McCracken at the time of Melanie's death. So she's the one who said there were never any emergency vehicles at the McCracken house. Kim gets pregnant by somebody named Roddney Jones, but the child looks like Mark.

Melanie dies in 1995.

Mark McCracken remarries. Kim marries Robert Mireles. Mark and Kim remain friends but no longer next door neighbors.

1998, Nancy Grice's civil suit makes Mark a suspect. That's when the information about the 911 calls to Living Cross comes out.

A year or so later Dateline does a story on the case. Mireles, who is no longer with Living Cross, agrees to meet with the producer and show him the run sheets showing the calls to the McCracken house. Kim knows about this.

The night before the appointment with Dateline, in the "small hours of the morning," which I assume means like 2 a.m., Kim leaves the house for 20 minutes. She returns to find Mireles hanging in the garage. Mireles's briefcase with the run sheets is missing

What kind of errend did Kim go on for 20 minutes at that time of night?
What did she do when she found her husband's body?
Did she cut him down and give him respiration?
Did she call 911?
How long was it before rescue arrived?
Could they determine how long Mireles had been dead?
Where is Kim now?
Are Kim and Mark still close friends? <

The information about the missing paperwork is in Nancy Grice's original report linked to the Real Crimes home page. For full background on this case, people need to read that and not just the posts on this message board:

"The producer (from Dateline) arranged to interview Robert Mireles, former head of Living Cross Ambulance Service, about numerous 911 calls that had been maade from Melanie's home prior to her death. On those occasions, Mark did all of the talking, only allowing medics to check Melanie's vital signs. On one occasion Melanie was in bed wearing a turtle neck sweater that came up to her chin, even though the day was very warm, an apparent attempt to prevent medics from seeing the bruises on her neck. On another occasion, on which she wore a nightgown, paramedics noticed bruises on her shoulders. Mark McCracken explained those bruises by lying to the medics and saying his wife was "critically ill with leukemia." Dateline's meeting with Mr. Mireles never occurred, as Mireles was found hanging in his garage in the early morning hours of the day before his scheduled meeting with Dateline. EMS run sheets of 911 calls to the McCracken home, which are believed to have been in the possession of Robert Mireles in his briefcase at the time of his death, have never been located to date. Ambulance company employees have stated that there was at least one "report down" at breakfast where OMI investigator Luis Brown stated that something needed to be done about the domestic violence which existed in the McCracken home."

Sounds like a setup. The more players, the harder this is to unravel and I suspect the parties involved in the Mireles hit are associated to the Claycomb incident as well.

This woman lived next door to officer McCracken; had knowledge of the information her husband had on the McCracken case and also must had knowledge there was someone on their way to get that information from him the evening of his death.

A Feb 27th post 11:59:47, an individual claimed Officer McCracken was not a phlandering husband. They indicated they knew for a fact that no parametics were ever at the McCracken house, because they lived next door to him and his wife. "They were a close neighborhood and looked out for each other".

Mrs. Mireles knew what her husband had in his paper work and she knows the paper work is missing. I have went through the posts that were written before this post was documented. I can't find a post indicating there was anyone who made the statement or posted anything claiming parametics where at the McCracken home on several occassions. There is other information and I did see this information appear later on after this one particular posting. So I am wondering where that individual saw a statement such as this, before they posted on Feb. 27th????

Just a little reminder, these families are not going to let these crimes go. It is now 8 yrs later and information is still surfacing.

Who had 2 has beens? And who had what in who' s pot?
Sorry I dont get you.
Lets try this agin.

Kim lived next door to Mark............

Didn't Robert have any family ....who could push this issue about his death?

Besides these 2 old has-beens he was married too!

They both sound as if they had their fingers in the pot.

Well....KIM, your a very interesting lady. I bet there could be an accessory to the crime on this one.

You investigators.....great job!!! Keep turning those stones. Don't leave "Not Even One" unturned.

Are we talking about 2 different women in Roberts life who betrayed him, by revealing information to Mark about the knowledge and information he was going to give to date line???

Roberts Ex-wife? Who use to live next door to Mark?

Kim, Roberts current wife, who warned Mark about the exposure???

Did Robert and Kim both, live next door to Mark or was Mark not married to Melanie at the time???

Yeha ...who is Roberts ex-wife?

Kim warned Mark ...that Robert was going to turn information over to Dateline? Now does Robert have an X-wife, involved in this as well as the current one now widowed?????

The other thing about my e-mail is that the "ATTBI" has changed their name but said nothing about having to change e-mail address yet. Plus I am gettin other mail. Please try again. If it doesn't work let me know here and I will check with ATTBI. THanks Christi

My e-mail is "ccusulos@attbi.com" Christi

Welcome aboard Christi

OHHHHh....great information folks...... who are Marc's informants??? Drug informants you mean???? Yes that sounds like another set up ....lets here more about Kim?

who is Roberts Ex-Wife? Kim lived next door to Mark.
I hope both kim and mark get what thay have comeing to them.

Whats up with her and all this cop?

Your right about Kim's son Dekoya resembleing Mark isent that something?
Kim clims Dekota's father is some cop by the name of Roddny Jones I wonder if that is true .

The night of Robert's death, Kim left the house just before Robert died, giving Mark's informants who owed Mark a favor, just enough time to come in and take Robert down, and then hang him. How conveniant of Kim. She has to live with what she has done to such a perfect soul like Robert!! It will all come around in the END!!!

Robert's "ex-wife" was living next door to Mark at one time, she was the only one who knew that Robert had paperwork on him, and was going to give a deposition, and interview. Kim s the one that warned Mark that this was all going to happen!!! I know this for a fact, and her son Dakota sure resembles Mark to a T!!

Christi trying to e-mail you but e-mail returned. It said not valid server can you please enter it again. thx

Thanks, Sharon. Maybe your family will be of more help to him than I on some levels. I appreciate your offer and I will let him know.

Christi

We understand Christi. We know all too well what he is going through. I know somedays that he won't even want to get out of bed, and then there are days when he will think he is willing and able to take on the whole world to get the truth out. Been there, still doing that, and we don't want the T-shirt. If you need us, we will be here. Just keep loving him. Love and Truth are the only things that matter in this world in the end.
Sharon

Sharon, Thank you. I have your e-mail address. Someone sent it to my e-mail. I have to talk with my husband about how far he wants to take this. It really is up to him and right now his mourning is so great. It is all consuming. When I told him about this web-site he got excited and now he's depressed. I am waiting for a greenlight from him as to how or when to proceed.

If nothing else I am one of those people who can and will get answers and he knows it. He has to decide if he wants answers. That may sound strange to you, but I understand and my place in all of this is to support him and walk with him through this.

We really appreciate you. Trust me. More than you may ever know. It is not just the embarrassment. The whole world already knows. There is just other stuff.

I am not making much sense. You probably know all the stuff he is facing right now. I don't know or understand a lot of it. I just love him.

Again, Thank you Christi

Christi, please contact me. I am Gregg Meissner's mother (case is on this board) and I know a lot about suicide, accident or homicide by hanging. My son was supposed to look like a suicide, when that was ruled out, they tried to say it was an accident. We eventually got a conviction, but only on 3rd degree murder. We have kept fighting, had experts look at the crime scene photos etc. We would gladly try to put you into contact with anyone that may help you. You have a long battle, and for us, it's not over yet and probably will never be over.

If you want to you can contact the Real Crimes board, and they will forward anything to us, or they can give you our email address. Anything we can do, we will. People are murdering many people this way and getting away with it, because it can easily go down as suicide or an accident. Accident they say to shut many of us up, because of the embarassment that goes along with this. This is nothing but crap. Sharon

where did you get suicide out of "accident by hanging". It has been ruled an accident.

So he committed suicide????

Christi here. Just got the news that Dale's death has officially been ruled an accident by hanging. Still have not received autopsy report.

"INCREDIABLE" ...... Absolutely ...... "INCREDABLE" ...... I want to fall right out of my chair. This Officer has had every opportunity and every avenew to shut up every witness connected to his wifes death. Not only that....but we have one more EMT out there who could be in danger!!!!!!

This is the biggest internal "Spider Web" I have ever saw in my life. With State Police working every crime also connected to this officer. Every crime scene destroyed before proper investigation can be conducted..... Allowing every bit of evidence to be trampled on by whom ever pleased.

I "BELIEVE" one thing for certain......there will be "not one stone left unturned" and those of us that have not unturned it...let the Holy Spirit guide our feet to stubble over it, turning it anyway.....

God bless you, Christi. You have joined the Club that nobody ever wanted to be a member of. We families, on the Real Crimes site, look out for each other and help each other's causes. We will be here for you and the rest of Dale's family, whenever you need support

Absolutely EXCELLENT Christi......that is a start ....exactly what I was interested in...who did the investigation! What do you know...Good old State Police botching up every crime scene they get their hands on to cover up. Very interesting that McCracken has that district too.....what ANOTHER Coincidence!!!!!!!!!!!!

GEZZZZZzzzzz I can't believe this......This is absolutely the biggest mess I have ever saw in my life. These ppl have to be stopped,....

These "COINCIDENCES" are just to Universeally impossible!!!!

This is Christi, Dales daughter-in-law. I have a forensic profiler that is going to look at Dale's death for me. Until the coroner's office releases the autopsy report along with the photos of the scene, I have not many more answers than you. Someone did ask a very interesting question - Who had access to his house?

A couple of interesting things are:
1) I understand that Mark McCracken lives in Edgewood.

2) Mark's area of supervision includes Edgewood

3) The State Police have a contract with the township of Edgewood to respond to it. That is why they responded to Dale's death rather then the Sheriff's office. The Sheriff's office did do the welfare check but then turned over the scene and Dale to the State Police as a result of this contract

4) The State Police let people into Dale's house that were not legally next-of-kin and told them to clear it out as soon as possible so that neighbors did not rob the place - we strongly objected and they refused to secure the scene even though we were arriving the next day...My husband is legally next-of-kin

5) Dale is not the only paramedic that can testify to what he knows about the McCracken case. There was another paramedic on the helicopter.

But if we look at the scene and the evidence when it is available - I think there will be more answers.

I have been searching about Autoerotic asphyxia and the "profile" that goes with it. There really isn't one as far as age and gender and sexual orientation. However, there are other aspects that I am waiting for the MI's report to get the answers to.

The best resource we could possibly ask for is Dale Claycomb's daughter-in-law.

Are you able to share information about Dale's death and the family's belief about what happened? Or would that get in the way of an on-going investigation?

There is nothing to go on, to help you get your answers, only an obituary that says he died of an accident. Dale Claycomb does not fit the profile of autoerotic asphyxiation victim.... NO WAY!! He just don't fit the Profile. Got to be something more ......???????

Someone had to have accessed his home and set him up!

It's hard to dig when you have no chicken scratch

Several poster have asked if anyone know's any thing or if they have heard anything about Dale Claycomb, but no one, as of yet seems to know.

Well....you know, all we here on here is that Dale Claycomb died from Erotic suffocation from someone, who seems to be in a whole lot of denial about a lot of stuff. No one seems to know anything. I for one do not in anyway believe that ..... any more than I believe Robert Mireles committed suicide.

I am Dale Claycomb's daughter-in-law (The other Paramedic in the McCracken case). We know that Dale did not commit suicide. My husband talked with him an hour or so before he died. If anyone finds out any information or just wants to tell me something my E-mail is ccusulos@attbi.com. Thank you.

I read a comment from someone around feb 13 that said they have known Mark McCracken for 5 years and how wonderful he is. The close friends of Ted Bundy's could not believe his actions either because of how wonderful he was. I believe the media is sensationalizing the case because that is what they do. But that does not make them wrong. It just makes them sensational. But anyone who can avoid the facts and say he is innocent because he is a nice guy and he would not do something like this is as guilty of extreme behavior as they are accusing the media of being. Mark being nice does not mean he is innocent. It just means he is nice. "Nice" and "innocent" are distinctively different and separate. They are not related at all. One does not even rely on the other.

Do it.... SEND it to these addresses below. You don't have to reveal anything about who you are. Just make contact with the realcrimes webmaster. I promise you, that you will be safe and secure. Your identity does not have to be revealed.

DO IT PLEASE!!!!!

Response:Anyone else with related information, please, do the same. This will carry more weight if it comes from more than one source.

Why would anyone want to send information to Nancy Grice's PI. Why not send it to Robert Harris who is officially taking care of the case.

Response:He should definitely do that as well.

The problem that several people have experienced in submitting information directly to Robert Harris is that they can't get through to him without identifying themselves. Whereas the private investigator will accept information from an anonymous source, follow up on it to verify it, and then act as a middle man in presenting the info to Mr. Harris, thereby protecting the tipster's identity.

There's no reason not to submit the information to both parties.

If you can answer these questions..... do you know when they lived as neighbors and for how long?

Response:FROM THE WEB MASTER: Information about the deaths of Robert Mireles and/or EMT Dale Claycomb should be submitted directly to Nancy Grice's P.I., rather than displayed on this message board. If the person with that information is insecure about our confidentiality guarantee, there are ways to get around that.

(1) Send an e-mail message from a computer other than your own -- library, school, internet cafe, etc.

(2) Send a letter by U.S. mail, addressed to: Corwin Research Investigations, 1809 Moon NE, Suite 9, Albq. NM 87112."

In either case, please, include every detail you have, including the names of the police officers.

What was her relationship to the McCrackens? Did they all know each other as couples sometimes do?

Did her and Robert both live next door to McCracken? Were they (or was she)living next door to the McCrackens when he and melanie were married?

I have never believed Robert killed himself.....NEVER have I believed that! I don't believe the other EMT killed himself either! I beleive what your saying!

Robert loved her very much she was and is crap he thought he could change her.everyone know Robert was a careing person. and would do any thing for anyone.
Yes. she knows alot.I dont think will Reval.
she was mark's next door neighbor at one time.
yes i think she knows more about her husband death then she revealed.
and yes to your last question.
Why would any anyone want to work out befor killing one salf?????????????

If you can't answer these types of questions.....what do you know about the relationship between her and her husband?

Would you say that she might know enough to reveal facts about all three deaths?

Would you say she knows more about Melanies death than what anyone would suspect???

Would you say she knows more about her husbands death than what she has revealed?

So what your saying is that Mrs. Mireles knows McCracken and a few others better than most????

Knowing information and proving are two different thing's
Nancy Grice's should know that by now.
no one else wants to wind up like the two emt's you can't trust cop's at all.
not in this old town.
Identity is never kept confidential.
Every one knows Kim Mireles is a big Ho all cop's love her.

YES! Please do reveal what you know about Robert Mireles's wife's infor to the web master.... PLEASE!!!! Don't hold out .....share your information to help with this case!

Whoever said that we trusted the cops 100%, in the beginning were 100%correct. So did we. It isn't like they let you follow them around and check up on them. If someone you love is murdered, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO THE BODY OR ANY EVIDENCE. Police have every right to keep everything forever, they get a coroner to mark "cannot be determined" Once they have this they can keep the evidence forever (destroy it or lose later) because it could be a murder It is not so much trust, as it is we have hope and pray that they are doing the right thing, because no one else has the authority. This is exactly what would have happened to us, but we had the advantage of me finding him,and I saw way too much in that short time. We are so vulnerable during this time that it is easy to get us to agree to things. They had my son calll a doctor to get something to calm me down. Zannex was what they gave me. Sharon aka Gregg's Mom

Re: Melanie McMcracken
Has any one ever Questioned Mr Robert"s Mireles wife?
she is responsoble for alot and knows a lot i hope she burns in hell.

Response:It sounds like you have information that could help with this case. Please, send it by private e-mail to Nancy Grice's private investigator, c/o this website -- "justiceproject@earthlink.net". We guarantee that your identity will be kept confidential.

Most of us were fooled by the police and gave 100% trust to them.
How were any of us to know that they would not and were not going to investigate and solve what happened to our children?

Re: Kait Arquette

The police department took it upon themselves to junk Kait's car without your permission? Are there any photographs taken of the car that could help?

Response: Lois Arquette responds:

We did give permission. We were informed on the day of Kait's funeral that the police were finished with the car and we could either come down to the salvage yard and retrieve it or let them junk it. We were also advised that Kait's blood and brains were all over the front floor boards. We told them to junk it.

In retrospect, that was a foolish decision, but at the time we trusted that the police had done their job and all the physical evidence was on record.

It took years of public records request, but we were finally able to get some of the scene photos, (the APD legal department first tried to tell us that photos aren't public records). But a number of the scene photos have been withheld from us, and all the photos and negatives from the second-day work-up are missing.

From Lois Duncan Arquette, (Kait Arquette's mother):

Yes, Det. Damon Fay was involved in the APD investigation of our daughter's murder.

In Chapter Seven of Who Killed My Daughter?, I quote a conversation with Kait's oldest sister, Robin:

"It seems that the Vietnamese men may be innocent," I said. "(Case detective) Gallegos agrees with the rest of the department now. He thinks it's a random shooting."
"Not everybody in the department thinks that," Robin said. "I talked with my friend Maritza yesterday. One of the homicide detectives is a longtime buddy of hers, and he told her there's just no way Kait's shooting was 'random.' He said it has the earmarks of a professional hit."

That detective was Damon Fay. According to Maritza, "I specifically remember him (Det. Fay) saying that the location of one of the bullets in the car indicated that the shooting was NOT random. That the shot had to be aimed at a target. I also recall that this bullet was found LATER, not during the initial investigation."

However, when APD decided that they wanted Kait's shooting to appear to be a "random drive-by," they removed all reports about the second-day work-up on Kait's car from the case file and inserted a note stating that no evidence hold was placed on Kait's car and it was hauled directly from the scene of the shooting to the salvage yard. So there's nothing on record about that telltale bullet. Det. Fay now says the shooting was "random."

I haven't been able to as of yet.....but I have been checking into it!

If I remember right, Damon Fay was also involved in the Kaitlyn Arquette case. Can anybody confirm that?