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Stockholm Syndrom ....

Of all the ineffective things an abused woman does, both consciously and unconsciously, to make her relationship with her partner less painful to her, collusion is both the most subtle and the most destructive to her. This is when an abused woman begins to distort reality to fit her partner's view of it indicates that her perception is loosing total focus.

One of the strongest collusion hooks there is in an abusive relationship is one of which is to make her believe that she is at fault for "EVERYTHING" that goes wrong between them ....

Is that what the person meant when they said "Melanie was the way she was and that is why Melanie is dead????

Someone needs to seriously take a look at that abuseive statement .... and since most of the abuse issues are stembed from childhood and continues on ito adulthood.... I think some serious soul searching should be attempted to clear up that distorted view as well. I am almost convinced that Melanie not only lived in an abusive home with her husband, but I am beginning to feel that she had an ongoing abusive relationship with the rest of the husbands family as well.

Hope everyone is prepared for a Grand Jury indictement. This is what it is coming too.

When you have a clean and tidey crime scene and you have no damage to certain nerve fibers in the brain and peripheral nervous system, you have to rule out "sudden sniffing death" .....

When you have no damage to the soft tissue around the neck and arteries or blood vessel breakage in the eyes..you rule out strangulation.....

When there is nothing found blocking the airway that would choke the victim ... you have to rule out obstruction of the airway passages...

BUT, when you have small pinpoint hemorrages on the palate, gums, and on the tongue, bruises around the mouth and small lacerations on the lips .....

YOU CAN NOT RULE OUT HOMICIDE!

Naww....you got the freudian slip all messed up....
It's called "Typos" Typographical errors

hahaha!

They called it an undetermined death...because all the evidence would have been at the crime scene to prove what might have killed her ... since the crime scene was to perfect the only other possible way she could have died would have been asphyxial suffocation by someone covering her mouth and nose cutting off all her oxygen!

That is where all the bruising around her mouth came from and the cut on her lip. Pressure being applied to her face.

Then if you take it to the crime scene .... how could she attempt to killing herself with out a trace of evidence ....

The crime scene was to clean..... it's not what was there their trying to hide. It is what wasn't there they are hideing.

That is why the crime scene photos came up missing, because there was no evidence of Melanie "Huffing" anything. If she was huffing paint or some form of chemicals ...she would have died with them laying right next to her body.... but there was nothing in the bedroom .....
that is why they had to get rid of the crime scene pictures....nothing to prove she died huffing any chemicals....
no OD medications we located which would have also been found in the system. See...when pll huff chemicals and they die from asphyxiation using them ...all that will show up in the autopsy! ....

Melanie wasn't a "huffer" ...plain and simple. With "Sudden Sniffing death" volatile solvents such as toluene damages the protective sheath around certain nerve fibers in the brain and peripheral nervous system.

These damages are clinically similar to that seen with multiple sclerosis. Both pathologists ruled out any signs of conditions that would be related to what you would see with a "Sudden Sniffing death" victim.

This is why it would be determined "Homicide by exclusion"
Absolutely every thing was excluded but "HOMICIDE!"

Yeah....I thought the "huffing" idea was a little lame too, since there just wasn't enough evidence in the autopsy to support it ....

You know what they say about bloodhounds don't you....they can smell the skin cells off of a human being transported for miles and miles away....some have been known to travel across the country following a scent....
That was a freudian slip too!

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No...No...No.... You misunderstood their message. They didn't want you to write into Kim....

The last sentence said...
"This is to kim", if you know anything please come forward because what you know will ruin your life if you do not come forward.
That is the basics of the sentence. No one was asking any one to tell Kim anything. They was asking Kim to give up and tell what she knows.

It's just a huge paragraph and the last sentence is just running into the rest of the of it...

It's ok....it will be ok, just take a deep breath. Lots of emotion and torment with all of this. Just relax, it wasn't meant the way it ran together on the page.

Resp:BELOW how dar you ask if any one knows anything about Roberts case to write to kim.if any one knows about this case is kim and she owes Roberts families alot of answers so PLEASE SPARE ME YOUR B.SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
If we have to write to KIM about any thing we know then we can all forget about this site its just become useless.

In reguards to Robert Mireles and if he was married before, and if she had a hand in it. Mr. Mireles was married before and his first wife never lived next to Mark Macracken nor does she even know him in a personal level. This marriage had nothing to do with his second marriage. 2 daughters were left behind one from his first wife and one from his second. He was a daddy, and that was cut short with a lot of questions lingering behind. Everyone on this site has something in common they all lost people they love very much, with many unanswered questions. I admit it all seems crazy when you start to look at all of the facts. None of the families asked to be hurled into this situation but they were, grieving has not been a normal process for any of these families especially for his teenage daughter from his first marriage. These are now the living victims. I wish there was not a need for these sites and that no one had to stop and think this is crazy. Please remember each of these cases are not normally and need to be looked into. It is taking so long and each day that it takes keeps the families from remembering there sons and daughters, brothers, and sisters, and fathers and mothers as they should be remembered. His first wife did give a deposition and was also interviewed by Dateline. Not to mention was followed for several months and pushed off the road with threats to her life made upon her and her family, it is not safe for anyone seeking the truth. If everything these people are saying are all lies then why are people dieing, and their lives being threatend. To Robert Mireles: I will always honor and respect you, and love you. I miss you and I pray for your family especially your Children everyday. In my prayers all of these people will be remebered as they should. I would ask that everyone take heart and think of the families that were left behind!! They are now the Vicims that must live this tragedy everyday. Please if anyone knows anything reguarding these cases write in. To Robert's second wife Kim, please come forward and say what you know. Think about the children, think about why you are losing ground on a daily basis. God bless all of the faimiles of the to the Victims of violent crimes

Funny, up until a couple of days ago there is NO mention of "huffing" anywhere. Freudian Slip! Yes Melanie said she could take her own life and no one would no how, but this is the first I have ever heard of her "huffing". Good investigating! Keep up the good work!

we will sift through the lies eventually...

Hang in there Christi ..we love you, support you and will get to the truth or the lies what ever comes first.

Yet...If anyone is interested in finding the a good explanation of Melanie's symptoms of illness which was also posted back in March about her being always ill and had 40 Doctors....

Try reading "Women Who Love Men, Who Hate Them!" It is very infomational and it describes the illness symptoms abused women go through to stuff and hide their anger for the abuse they are suffering....it describes all the psychological symptoms of how they constantly try every way to please their abusive mate and always fail. What ppl do not understand about Domestic Violence is that it is the most torturious psychological living hell that no one should have to ever go through .... And if you want to really read about some psychological messed up ppl....then you are introducing yourself to the profile of an "abusive" mate.

Reading and studying the abusive psychological attempts that an abusive mate puts their victim through is the most suffering torture of a victim, I have ever seen in America today!

There are lots of books with excellent information about abused women and the emotional and psychological symptoms of a victim of DV.

Dateline has already paid for their copy of the autopsy. It just isn't finished yet. Dale Claycomb died January 28, 2003. Ten days after his mother. He was do to return to work the next morning. When he didn't show, his work sent out a "welfare check" - the police to make sure everything was okay.

The "accidental hanging" is a polite way of saying "Autoeratic Asphyxia". It is nice that they call it "accidental hanging" on the death certificate. Dale left behind a six year old daughter that doesn't need AEA listed on the death certificate. She will find out later, but later is better than sooner.

This is Christi (daughter-in-law). When we have the autopsy report which should be released in the next couple of days, we will have some of our questions answered or not.

Exactly how it was done, i.e. with an "aparatus" or belt or rope or just what. Blood alcohol levels, etc. We are also getting copies of the pictures of the scene - which I am NOT looking forward to.

We really appreciate you people. You have given us strength you may not know about. Thanks

What's interesting about Melanie's crime scene was this....
Have you ever heard of a crime scene being cleaned up to well. For instance if you were going to kill someone and you wanted it to look like they did it to themselves...and in Melanie's case it appears that it was suppose to look like she used an inhalant to do it. I assume this was the intentions of the statement from the poster meant, back on March 2 postings.... when they said "She said she could kill herself without any one knowing how she did it!"

But if she was using an inhalant there would have to be some form of evidence...like a paper bag or spay paint can; yet with spray paint you would have some form of chemical compound left on the face around the mouth and possibly on the hands and arms from the residue.

The crime scene was apparently perfect. No drugs were found in the home. No gas cans were left by the bed. No huffing material what so ever to indicate that Melanie was trying to asphyxiate herself in any way. Of-course if you think about it ....a clean scrime scene such as this wouldn't look very appropriate in crime scene photos either because ...again it would be a crime scene way to clean to fit sucide and if she had no drugs in her system..... no bodily injury ....

No damage to her soft tissue around her neck and throat area. No tissue that indicates disease ......oh chemical asphyxial diagnosis...
Yet something cut off her wind?

This is going to the grand jury.....
Homicide by exclusion....

They tried to make it look like an Autoerotic Asphyxial suffocation. Which is considered an accident.

There again, no investigation. They came in, they looked, they saw, they closed. It was pretty quick. But things at the scene came up missing. We don't have all the details at this point. We are waiting for information from Mrs. Claycomb (Daughter-in-law). This accidental hanging was fairly recent, within the last 5 months, which is approximately the same time they exhumed Melanie's body for a second autopsy.

So questions are being raised at the moment. One post indicated that Claycombs autopsy was going to be sent in to Dateline.

I dont understand what does accidental hanging mean?and how does one accidental hang them salf? give me a break.

The Claycomb case NOT being thrown out. Trust me. Sometimes, timing is everything.

Approximately 6 yrs later(long enough to ignore the danger zone) at the same time Melanie's body was going to be exhumed, Dale Claycomb; another parametic who was also present at the scene of the McCracken car crash, wrote in deposition, Mark McCracken was "Feigning unconsciousness" upon arrival at the crash site. He mysteriously comes up dead by another form of Asphyxial suffocation. Again NMSP took over that investigation and called it an accidental hanging.

By now you should be falling out of your chair!

Oh....and for the LEO who's interest in this case has overwhelmed him; Robert Mireles was a paramedic that had information leading to Melanie McCracken's death, indicating proof there were numerous 911 calls that came from the McCracken home prior to her death.

The 911 call sheets were to be turned over to Dateline the following day. But Robert was rendered unconscious in the middle of the night and strung up by the rafters in their garage while (wife) Kim stepped out for a bit to eat (Shortly afer having a nice dinner in Albuquerque) and when she returned her husband had been hung and his brief case and computer containing information about Melanie's case was missing. NMSP investigated that death too, with some of the same officers involved in other cover-up cases. They called it suicide!

Back to business....

C/O Dale Claycomb, NMSP Cover-up. We can not express to you how important it is to get your Father-in-laws case on Realcrimes website. That is extremely important to you and your family. This gives us one more case against the corruption of the system. Lets all work together to get to the truth. DO NOT THROW THIS CASE OUT! You have to many questions. Work for the best answers possible....even if you just get a bunch of lies! Thats what we want. We want to look at their lies!

Realcrimes will help you with the Narrative!



And .... What about Kim Mireles?
We don't want to neglect her!

People protest about a lot of things. Some protestings are and can be in favor of an issue that can move mountains. Make this one of them. I promise you that once you begin to move out of your personal realms and join forces ....others will come.

Thats human nature.....
The numbers will grow.
So will your cause.

That is the whole point ..... because we have such a VIP community involved with drug trafficking ...Numbers in voices can change things. Make it harder for them to participate....

That is why I am saying to build a program ...and work to create a huge one. The minute these voices get huge in numbers ...the minute you will see our politicians behavior have to go through a radical change.

We have to get ppl in here first to clean up this state. That is your first and most important task at this moment. Do that by forming a huge voice .... write letters but make the letters from an organization .....a growing organization that extends into other states.

I am not trying to make it sound easy...... I just want you to see there can be other creative ways to fight and you don't have to fight it alone. You can fight it together.

Thank you very much for clearing up the confusion. I wasn't sure to the exact details on the polygraph but I new someone would come to the rescure.

Thank you. We just want to details to be clear but we needed you to give us that information.

As in responce to the to the LEO, the fact remains that Mr. McCracken failed the first testing upon the first exam. There should have been an administrative leave until the investigation was under way but ....there was no investigation. When the Pathologists said death "Undetermined" the NMSP closed the case immediately.

Response: to comments on the polograph issue.
After hearing that MR Mc Craken failed the first test and a second test was given where questions were modified thier is no question in my mind that a cover up hapened.
I would be very much intrested in qualified polograph examiners in commenting on this.
To my knowldge when a person fails the test or a question, that question is again asked exactly the same way, and in fact several diferent ways to discover the truth.The question is never deleated. If that would have occured in the departments were I worked the officer at very least would be on administrative leave, not promoted.

As the investigator who has worked on behalf of the Grice family and the Houston family, there are a couple of things that need to be stated to clear up some confusion.

1) The second polygraph given to McCracken was given by the same polygrapher who did the first polygraph. The second test was given immediately after the first test. According to the national association of polygraphers, the second test should have been rescheduled for another day and given exactly the same as the first test was given, same questions, same format. Two former heads of this national organization have said that the dictation of questions and asking McCracken whether what he had written down was true instead of directly asking him questions invalidated the test. This type of test is only sanctioned for victims of serious violent crimes such as rape. This information was also confirmed by New Mexico's top polygrapher. There is now information coming forward that NMSP shopped for a polygrapher willing to find a specific result.

2) The second autopsy report did not identify any medications other than the Ibuprofen. The autopsy did find a trace amount of Arsenic, but that level was insignificant and no where near what it would take to cause Melanie's death.

3) A paramedic has already testified under oath to going on the calls to the house, and other individuals have come forward as well, so despite the lack of documentation of the calls there will be a significant amount of testimony detailing those calls.

4) A close personal friend and subordinate of McCracken's testified under oath that McCracken was indeed walking around at the accident scene. Further, the first witness on scene found McCracken seatbelted in and breathing on his own in the front seat. When the paramedics arrived, McCracken was lying down in a different area of the car. This too is all documented.

5) Melanie's underpants were clean and dry and her bladder empty. Being early August, it was still in the 90 degree range when the accident occurred. There were no sweat stains either.

Bill Houston, like Nancy Grice, is truly a role-model for people who have been in similar circumstances. He has pushed and pushed and been through some very low periods, but he has kept on. In the process he has become very savy. In fact, Bill has extended an invitation to Patricia Madrid, the attorney general, to join us at the domestic violence conference. His invitation comes less than a month after her office notified him that they would not help, since Bill questioned the investigation done by NMSP and the AG's office said point blank, we will not investigate them because we have to work with them.

Contrast that to the DA in San Francisco who has secured indictments against officers who beat someone up while off duty and has also indictment various people up the chain of command who helped cover up for the officers.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for Bill and Nancy. They have shown an inner strength that we all can look to for support.

Finally, in Stephanie's case, we have documentation that clearly shows the first responded officers believed her death was intentional. Why then, without interviewing anyone but Patrick Murillo, and prior to obtaining a search warrant for evidence collection from Murillo's truck did Mark McCracken tell the Albuquerque Journal that they had verified elements of Murillo's account. Incidentally, Murillo has given at least four different versions of the account, including that Stephanie was with him in the truck while they were driving and that when they argued he let her out of the vehicle. He also says that she was never in the car, having walked across the street and he followed in his truck.

The injuries to Stephanie were quite extensive, and she also had a black eye that was unrelated to being run over. That is why Dr. Enstice has serious doubts about Stephanie's death being accidental. Stephanie suffered and a broken arm (high in the arm) and bruising to her chest directly in line with each other. If that was caused by a tire than Murillo's story goes out the window. We have asked DPS to get someone to match the injuries to the vehicle. Stephanie also suffered impact to both legs at the area directly above the knee cap. These injuries do not appear to have come from hitting the ground as there was no road debris in them. Instead these injuries are remarkably at the same height as Murillo's bumper.

Lastly, I have believed so strongly in both Nancy and Bills quest, that I have not charged either of them a penny for my work in a very long time. I have to believe that ultimately justice will be served in both cases.

Mike Corwin

FROM THE WEB MASTER:

For those of you who have posted messages for the father of Stephanie and Crystal Houston -- it's difficult for Mr. Houston to respond in a timely manner, because he doesn't have a computer. When he wants to post on this message board, he sends us his message by U.S. mail and we post it for him. We will mail him copies of your supportive responses, which are certain to mean a lot to him.

To the real crimes website. You might be suprised at what good you are doing in small and large doses.

I think you will be suprised in the coming months and this New Year what a difference you have made for these families here in NM.

God Bless you for your services.

Picket the state capital and the attorney generals office. Form a big group and be docile about it. Take the Media with you as you go. if your not allowed to picket to long .... thats ok...just picket long enough to get it on TV. Use the media to your advantage.

make catchy signs like ..... cover-ups in NM we want justice..... if you have the families there ....everyone is open to interviews and you don't have to tell your whole story but tell enough that the message goes to the right ears....

FROM THE REAL CRIMES COMMITTEE:

To the person who stated, "I know about 4 other families right this very minute that are victims of the same thing who have lost their children to the same kind of situation here in the state of NM.... that have no idea this website exists."

Please, inform those people about this web site. If a case is appropriate for this site, we will be glad to work with the family to get their story into the proper format and link it to documentation. There is no charge for this.

This site is beginning to receive national attention. Having a case posted here is not necessarily going to get it solved, but at least it will prevent it from being buried and forgotten.

NOOOoooo please don't give up....the Holy Spirit will guide you....Please don't give up. Stand togehter makes it less dangerous. When you work alone is when you place yourselve in danger.

Stand up together and be heard.

These are not signs of love

1) Jealousy
2) "KEEPING YOU AWAY from FAMILY and friends"
3) Argumentivness
4) Any kind of physical force---pushing, scratching, holding down, grabbing your shoulders and arms....
These are the bruises that paramedics saw on Melanies shoulders!
5) calling you names..."is that what you mean when you refered to Melanie as a "Bitch from Hell!"
6) Putting her down ..... Melanie's problems all stemmed from her relationship with her mother???? I think everyone of you should be ashamed of your selves.
Every single one of you who came on this page and put Melanie down, saying she was dead because she was the way she was ....every single one of you should be held partly responsible for her death.
7) Embarrassing her in front of other
isn't that what you were doing Mark when you told your co-workers that melanie was a Fatal Attraction and you only stayed with her so she could have insurance.....
8) Nice one minute, angry the next
9) threatens to hurt you and threatens to hurt you if you don't cover the bruises you have on your body .... with others who notice them...
Call it Leukeimia ?????
10) Telling her that she is stupid, ugly and worthless
"Is that what you were doing to Melanie .....when you were leaving notes and cards around for her to find from other women you associated with?
Did you play them against Melanie to hurt her?

I saw a special on the investigations of the murders of Tupac and Notorious B-I-G. Notorious was killed in LA. The LA officer had been one for 15 years. When he started to investigate the murder he was blocked at every turn and could not get answers. His belief was that an LAPD officer carried out the hit put on Notorious. He ended up quitting the force and telling Notorious's mother that she will never get answers about her son's death.

If a seasoned officer cannot get answers about his own force and ends up quitting, are we realistic about getting answers in NM when we are not officers ourselves?

What does the FBI say? I believe we should keep going, and I am a family member with a lot of resources and I plan to keep going. But I have received two phone calls telling me that it is extremely dangerous and the corruption is far reaching - even outside the NMSP.

My heart breaks for Mr. Houston. I am not sure how he keeps going after having two daughters murdered one year apart. Maybe that is what keeps him going. I think the rest of us need to keep going even if he can't or ESPECIALLY if he can't. Mr. Houston, you are in my prayers.

With FBI concentrating on the war on terrorism, how will we get them to look our way?

Ok...here is your start....

Mr. Houston and Mrs. grice please...please attend this meeting.
Cause for Alarm: The Danger of Domestic Violence.
The forum will be held on April 23, 2003
The forum is free, but seating is limited. Reserve a spot by April 18th.

Lt. Go. Diane Denish, NM first lady Barbara Richardson, Albuquerque Womens Resourse Center founder of Sherolyn Smith-Desantis.

Both of your children were going to leave their mates and died before they could get away from them.

Please everyone who's family was murdered by an abusive mate in NM. ATTEND this meeting. Let your child's voice be heard here.

Do it...I urge you all to take a stand...make your cases more than just public.

Please Mr. Houston..... Please Mrs. Grice, start here go to this meeting.

call now to register.
247-3671
from 7pm to 8:30pm at the Sheraton Uptown in Albuquerque,
2600 Louisianna blv. NE
Albuquerque NM.

All of you who can attend that frequents this website, be there and begin to build your voices in the community.

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Since the Melanie McCracken case you find a little bit harder to swallow, due to the lack of Internal Affairs. Why don't you take a peek at the Stephanie Houston case which McCracken worked as a scene supervisor. Apparently the officers first on the scene were convinced that Stephanie had been killed and so was the Forensic Pathologists, who repeatedly asked State to do an investigation because Stephanie was so tore up; also felt like the young woman had been struck intentionally by the front of the man's vehicle. Yet McCracken yanked it out of the first officers on the scene and called it an accident.

If you feel after you read this story that Stephanie had just slipped and fallen under the small trailer tire (the boy friends setup for playing local bands in the area) would cause this kind of damage to her body........

I WANT TO KNOW!

Read these Families stories ..... Look at their living hell.

There was a polygraph taken. Officer McCracken had a hard time passing it. So he was issued another test and questions were raised about the credibility of the polygraph examiner whom state selected.

There is more to the polygraph testing. His first test score was to low (-4). So NMSP had to have him do a test re-take. But the new testing was giveing by a new polygraph examiner and it was not given in the same respects as the first polygraph he inittially failed.The second testing was a little better and was taken as acceptable. Yet I believe the questions surrounding Melanies death were somewhat eliminated on the second testing and that would violate polygraph standards in other states and other departments.

As a ex law enforcement officer from other states I find it hard to understand how a law enforcment officer could have commited a crime and remaain as a law enforcment officer.
I have attended and graduated from police academies in two different states and also with in the military.
The first thing that happens after you are invoulved in a shooting or there is a question about your invoulvment in a crime , you are required to take a lie detecter test. You have no choice. If you decline you are removed from the department. Thier should be no way for any one to remain on the police department with these typs of accusation's as in the Mc Craken case. New Mexico sure seems to be a country unto its self in this matter.

I would like everyone to know, by the implications of the McCracken Family about Melanies death; indicating there were 2 other drugs found in her system, was implying these 4 things. I hate to ruin your insinuations Officer McCracken, that your wife Melanie was a huffer, but here it goes .....

* Asphyxiation from repeated inhalations, which lead to high concentrations of inhaled fumes displacing the available oxygen in the lungs. "Can be detected" in the blood and lungs and soft tissue upon autopsy.

* Suffocation from blocking air from entering the lungs when inhaling fumes from a plastic bag placed over the head. "can be detected" in the blood and lungs upon autopsy.

* Choking from inhalation of of vomit after inhalant used. "can be detected" in blood, lung and tissue.

OHHH this next one I really like.....

* Fatal injury from accidents, including motor vehicle fatalities while intoxicated.

Sorry Mark, this can also be detected in the blood lung and tissues of the victim.

Your wife was not an Inhalant huffer! Volital solvents such as toluene damagees the protective sheath around certain fibers in the brain and peripheral nervous system. This extensive destruction of nerve fibers is clinically similar to that seen with neurological diseases such as multiple sclerosis. Inhalants are also highly toxic to other organs such as the heart, lungs, liver, and kidneys.

That is what Dr. Smailek and Dr, Zumwalt meant when they did not detect any abnormal tissue damage of any kind when they described Melanie as a healthy young woman and is why they called her death "undetermined" and would put at the top of their list a "violent assault" .....

Sorry to pop your bubble baby....but Melanie did nopt kill herself by huffing Inhalants because it would have been detected in the autopsy.
Every death involved in the McCracken case has been staged in every form of Asyphxiation death possible to kill each victim. We have the Inhalant method, suicide hanging method, and the Autoerotic asphyxiation method. These pathologists know what is going on here. These are methods are undetectable, without a homicide investigation. Someone's going down, Luis Brown, right a long beside the rest of them.

OK Families of Murdered Children, Please start your program for "Families against Organized Crime in Law Enforcement corruption and cover-ups!"

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There is 18 families on this website out of NM alone....Gosh that says a lot. Add 10 more from various counties around the state ....then add 6 more ...... Your looking at 34 families ....Allow families who have never done what you ppl have done, to know who you are and to feel some kind of support and whatch them come out of the wood works ....begin to gather in meetings and I know the numbers will grow.

Start a petition like a "homicide" task force; get signatures and force these jurisdictions to participate and identify your boundaries. People will sign it, I promise you that. Request and select an Officer from each jurisdiction and force them to work as a committee authorized by guidelines that over see cases which involves suspiciousness in another departments. Such as the McCracken case and others that have been allowed to run their investigations when an officer from their departments are participating in to many bizare and closely related cases.

It takes team work and a lot of effort, but you can do it. Reach out to the retired "Law Enforcement" officers; look into the backgrounds of their careers. Some of them would love to help. Sometimes it gets in their blood and they want to be apart of programs that include their expertise.

We have the War on Drugs, The War on Terrorism, The War on Mothers against drunk drivers.
Make a war against "Families against Oranized Crime and corruption"

Listen the president just called out a war on organized crime....use it to your advantage and raise this issue in this state and make it such a big issue that it has to be looked at.

I say this because ..... I know about 4 other families right this very minute that are victims of the same thing who have lost their children to the same kind of situation here in the state of NM.... that have no idea this website exsists and would come to every meeting you set up if they only knew.

Don't allow them to do this to you.....Don't allow them to do this to your children. Everyone of you on this website. Do it in your own state if your not from NM .....

Do it together ...Create a National program and everyone participate.
I saw Greggs mother say ...even if she was to die tomorrow she would leave a piece of herself behind to continue to find the truth....
All of you feel this same divide strength though the love of your child.

Make this website huge....bring people from all over to meet and fight this war. Scream and yell from the top of your lungs "WE are not going to take this anymore"

Form a group! Advertise and call in all the parents of Murdered children. I bet you will be suprised of all the voices that come forward that no one ever knew exsisted. Plan meetings coordinate times and places to meet. Right letters to the Governor ...to the Attorney Generals office.
Look what program MADD "Mothers against Drunk Drivers" has become. Find advocates or create them. MAKE YOUR VOICES BE HEARD....

Look at all your "Broken Hearts" ... let your Childrens voices be heard through you!

See the size of this mess.....now you know what you are up against when you begin to fight the system ...... this is what is happening to your children. This is what is happening to our state setting on the Border of Old Mexico.

What I am trying to point out here .... is the "SIZE" of your war.
You all have to ban together. You can not fight it alone. It's not just Nancy Grice or Bill Houston against the corruption. It is all these chidrens families.
Organize.... like mothers against drunk drivers. What about Families against "Drugs and Organized Crime!" Your all trying to work it alone, your voices are to small with an organization so huge if you try to work each one of your childrens murders alone.
BAN TOGETHER! Form one big huge voice so you can be heard!

God Bless you all!

OHHH.....I forgot to tell you all about the book! The book that is being given to various High school students in certain areas of the state. Santa Fe has a copy. It's called "Teens and Drugs" .... very interesting material in it. Tells you how to put a meth lab together and what chemicals to buy. Gives times and tempatures to cook your chemicals ....gives information where to by all the materials you need to build one. Tells you where to get grow lights, how to maintain an indoor crop of marijuana and how to harvest it and all you would need to know to become a drug trafficker in the state of NM.

Now you know what you are up against!

Organized crime is an interesting vein, so are those 10-50 that you mentioned Patrick! Moves it's way on into APD. From the border of Mexico at El Paso, Anthony, Las Cruces, Los Lunas ..... right up the corridor through Socorro, on into Albuquerque, Santa Fe (I know a few SFPD officers working the Plaza right this minute selling drugs to the kids) right on into Rio Arrbia county on into colorado shheeeesh..... need I say more.

Sure ...no dought in my mind there could not be at least 50 or so involved. Who ever gets in their way, for what ever reason ..... Kaitlyn Arquette, Peter Klunk, Sal Martinez, Stephan Harr, Gabino Venegas, Melanie McCracken, Stephanie Houston, Crystal Houston, Robert Mireles, Dale Claycomb.

Almost like a domino effect isn't it......right?
Mark McCracken, Art Ortiz, Luis Brown, Damon Fay, Kim Mireles, ....and God only knows how many more!

Of-course I am sure we have a lot more names than that located in Valincia County Sheriffs department, Socorro County Sheriffs department, Socorro PD, Belen PD, Sandavol County Sheriffs department, NMSP (my favorite) ..... Hmmmm! Feds and the DEA would have a great time here if they would just come on down and have a little visit.

Public is not all that stupid .... we know you boys don't make shit as officers and the love of money takes over your integrity, your consciousness, your morals, your principles, your values and the mere essence of life has no meaning what so ever to any of you once your caught in the middle of your "BLUE CODE OF SILENCE" and that almighty dollar! Its scew the public, screw your department, screw your family's and by all means ... sell your soul to the Devil!

Mr. Houston, I know you have every reason to just give up!

Please don't! Your children's deaths will not be in vain. I promise you that. Just keep moving forward. Keep doing what your heart tells you to do and I assure you every step you take will be proper.

Sometimes answer's come in the form of delays.
You don't want then to jail one of their proxies do you?
That means no drug trafficking money!

Aww....Mr Houston, I do see Crystal's case. I just haven't worked my way down that deep yet. But I have every intention of doing that. I think Crystal's murder connects right into this mess, but since we are working on juridiction issues and different counties, I know the process is going to be a little bit slower than I would wish it to be.

But since we have you on here, I hope if it is not to painful for you, if you would be interested in offering us some information on Crystals death.

Such as the names of the officers who took the call.... the OMI' anything leading up to her murder. I did read your summory but it was not as detailed as Stephanies....

Would you be so kind as to fill us in on a few more details?

We had another post back in Feb. Was an APD metro officer who was also sideing with the cover-up and validity of Mrs. Grice's attempt to find justice. The officer said he resented the fact that others claim that law enforcement were trained specifically to detect asphyial suffocations because of it's "Least detectable" signs of homicide on scene. He said he wasn't a McCracken groupie!

I fail to differ with that for the simple reason if he was in fact a metro APD officer he knows this case is definately a very questionable and suspicious one in deed.

I would bet money on it the post was made by non other that Damon Fay himself. Since Damon has such a great interest in this case for someone who isn't interested in McCracken.

Only one I see who appears to be suspicouly interested in McCracken ..is "Damon Fay." As I believe the brotherhood goes way beyond the call of duty as coming to the aid of a fellow officer in need, as he indicated his remorse for McCracken's loss of his wife. What cracks me up is that McCracken didn't even take a leave of absence for his time of mourning. Nor did his department insist he take a certain amount of time either ...just for the sake of some source of psychological grieving process.

Since he wasn't put on administrative leave and forced to do it. Which is crazy too. How many officers loose a loved one, where the department would not require some form of leave of absence?

There isn't any thing about this case .... that even the common person or an absolute stranger would not have over a 1000 unanswered questions. For an officer to post something like that .....got to be more than just an unbiasis abserver.....don't you think?

The Stephanie Houston case has been discussed on this message board, since it's linked to the Melanie McCracken case, (Lt.Mark McCracken, the suspect in Melanie's case was the scene investigator in the botched investigation of Stephanie's case). But you may not realize that another case on this board, Crystal Houston, was Stephanie's sister and was murdered one year after Stephanie.

This is from Bill Houston, the father of both Stephanie and Crystal. The New Mexico state lab has the DNA of the killer in Crystal's case. They've had it two years. At first the people at the lab told me that Crystal's case is not priority and they would do the testing when they got around to it if they did it at all. I keep on calling and calling, and now they tell me they can't do the testing until there is a court date. But the police say they can't arrest anybody until they get the testing back. It's a Catch-22.

I don't understand this. Some guy recently killed a kid in Moriarity, NM, and no court date has been set, and they haven't even charged the suspect with murder yet, but they say the DNA testing will be done in a few more days. Our family doesn't blame the parents of that poor kid for wanting to get their DNA testing first, but we don't understand why, if the lab can come through for them so quickly, the lab has had DNA for Crystal's case for two years and haven't bothered to do anything.

There is more wrong here in New Mexico than what we will ever know. The law enforcement here seems to get away with what they choose to. Everything is run their way and there's nothing any of us can do about it. What they say goes, and if you try to argue with them they can lock you up.

And ...we are all just bideing out time, waiting for all that information about Kim to be revealed! Lets say that Kim is out and about and Robert just happened to be one of the victims.

I don't think McCracken's family would go as far as to question him on the autposy report. For one thing that would make them look as if they were in fact suspicious of the events that night. I also don't think if they were suspicious of his character they would have it in themselves to confront him and check up on his story!

That would certainly prevent them from going to the extremes to obtain the real report. There has to be another report floating around that is altered. If not, then I don't think as many who claimed to have seen a report such as this exists. I would be more apt to think we have a few family members who frequent this website.

The report with 2 drugs does not exists. Yet, there are several attempts to claim it does. No one has ever produced a copy which is almost a sure fact that it don't exists or they do not have access to this particular copy.

Which makes me think there is an altered one and it is only provided as a proof of innocence and not made available as a copy for anyone to have access to it.

OR

It's a fabrication all together.

Everything that is said about kim fits very wall.and not everything has been brought out yet.

Has anyone ever Kim? Does she fit what people are saying about on here?

Anyone can get a copy of any autopsy report. It is public information. Does cost like $25. But it is public information and cannot be denied anyone but can charge for it.

Dateline has copy of RObert's and is getting one on Claycomb when available

Back in the middle of March we had an individual who insisted on there being 2 drugs in Melanie's system.

After going over this several times I believe there is in fact 2 autopsy reports. One I believe belongs to Stephanie Houston who had on her report the mention of 2 other drugs in her system.

The only one who could have access to both autopies is Mark McCracken himself, in the position that he holds. What I purpose is that one autopsy report which belonged to Stephanie Houston was altered to fit Melanie's autopsy for all those who claim to have saw an autopsy report that indicated more than Ibuprophen in her system. The alteration would not be that difficult for Mark with the help of a copy machine.

This is the only way possible that he has to cover-up his acts of crime to his family and friends. He has to have something to show them and since Melanie was his wife .... his family and friends have also the belief they have access to Melanie's autopsy report as well as Mark Himself, supporting his innocense.

For Stephanies Houstons report does have small traces of 2 different drugs in her system. Mark had access to her autopys report as well as he did Melanie's. But his family could only have access to Melanie's report through Mark.

Something to ponder!

RE: To th responce below about the adoption! Robert was in the process of adoption prior to his death. That was to be finalized the following Wed. prior to his death.

Well, What happened to Rodney Jones when he got shot? Was he a Bosque Farms officer who was on the McCraken seen out on NM 47? My understanding is that State Police convinced Bosque Farms PD Melanie's death was caused by the accident?

Rodney Jones may not have been involved initially with the McCracken case, but he sure seems to have had some kind of connection to Kim.

The rape picture don't look right either! I mean if you are playing around with more than one one officer ..... at the same time, and you got pregnant, how could she immediately assume it was Rodney's child and immediately take out after him. Maybe we have a fatal attraction situation going on here. Maybe the anger pointed towards Rodney has nothing to do with Rape. Maybe it has more to do with rejection?

Seems to me looking at Rodney's situation with Kim maybe be more enlightening than one would anticipate ......or suspect.

How did Rodney get shot? What is the story behind that?

Boy any way we look at this case it always seems to point to Kim and Mark.Kim if you have any kindness in your hart only you can come out into the open and do the right thing.for Robert Melanie and Claycomb And there family's Its never to late to do the right thing.

Suspecious suspecious susecious If Kim and Robert came home so late from eating dinner at sadies.Why would Kim want to go to wendy's to eat again?
There is to much wrong with that picture.

We have pretty much determined she was a player in Roberts death. How could she not have been.....but she had 2 ways to go. Let say for instance "Hypothetically" ..... she was innocent of any involvement .... wouldn't you come to the same conclusion that he was killed for his knowledge and information he had about the McCrackens hidden abusive relationship ...... specially when all the evidence disappeared that same evening. Wouldn't you reveal that to investigators???

That goes to show you she knew something what was up and she play'd her part in it!

What I find interesting is this ... "what goes around, eventually comes back around!" The truth is always revealed, maybe not tomorrow or the next day, but it will come to light. Her involvement will be exposed.

I think McCracken was playing around with a lot of different things and not just women when he was married to Melanie. But the way I have understood it ....is he was involved with the woman he is presently married too when Melanie died ????? That could be wrong and needs some clairification on that!

Yeah....how long does it take you to go to Wendy's anyway. Thats a drive up window. Maybe the stalling was longer than she indicated it was. Daddy seems to be kind of weird also. He seems to be on the front line, right along the daughter, collaborating with the involvement she has with eveyone.

Strange Church??? Thats interesting....

Well...I think that is great infomation ..... someone is really hitting the pavement out there. I think that is Wonderful. It brings a nicer picture when the gaps begin to fill in thats for sure.

There has been so much said about kim lately any one know if Melanies mom new her or anything about her or if melanie mightknow her or suspected her as the other woman.

Res:below. Its look very suspecious everyone knows kim always had alot of boy friends.did she have one whil married to Robert? some one below mentioned she wanted Robert to adopt her son .Did he?If so maybe she just
wanted SSI.and go on with a new life.It seem like she had alot to do with
that night and knows alot.

Going back to earlier comments, Rodney Jones was a police officer for Bosque Farms Police Department when Kim attempted to sue him, things fell through because the cops put too much heat on her so she backed down. Rodney worked the night shift, Kim's favorite time to shine.
As for the time frame that Robert died, someone had asked what were Robert and Kim doing up that late he night he was killed, and why would she suddenly leave the house? Kim and Robert had just come home late from eating dinner out at Sadie's in Albuquerque. Robert walke over to a neighbor house to pick up the kids that was also their babysitter. Robert came home, and put the kids to bed, and decided to work out to help him unwind. Kim made the suggestion around midnight to go get a little something from Wendy's, and Robert agreed. This is when everything took place.... After she found him hanging, Kim stated that she attempted to call 911 which never took place, she also stated that she tried to get a hold of Robert's brother, which also never happened, who could have gotten to the house to possibly perform CPR in time to save him, because he only lived 30 seconds away. Kim wasted precious time, as if to do it on purpose. Once police did arrive she faked a break down and had ambulance personnel take her away so as to not answer questions from investigating officers, giving her enough time to get her story together. The story which was constantly changing. Kim and her family were members of a strange church in Bosque Farms. The following day after Robert was killed they came to their home like a swarm of army ants and cleaned out the house taking everything but the kitchen sink. Why would they do this if they weren't trying to cover something up? Any normal mourning wife would have gradually gone through her husbands things and reminise of days gone by. Not Kim she was just trying to cover her but and leave nothing behind for anyone to question. What do you all make of this?

Thank you ...that was excellent. My feelings are, she wasn't a rookie, but may have not been seasoned either. Possibly a new detective??? Someone easily walked on, in a investigation by the older more experienced officers.

I'v had them do it and I have seen them do it. Just one of the wonderful examples of NM Law Enforcement.

Just like the Kailtyln Arquette case. Her mother struggles with the new officers who have come on the force that would like to help but are stone walled trying too.

Capt. Richardson of the NMSP said that she had joined the force after Melanie's death. I do not know how long after.

I do not know if she was a rookie. Being a detective rather than a uniform officer I would asuume not. But what do I know. I only know the Drs. doing to the autopsy. Dr. O'hara (a resident or fellow) and Dr. Nine. I do not know if Ortiz responded initially or not. When I get the autopsy report I hope I will know more.

Who was OMI for that case?

Was she a rookie?

Jolene Jones was the investigating officer for Claycomb

Do you know if he was involved in any of these other investigations?
Does any one know about Lt Lichtenberger NMSP?
What about the officers who arrived at the Mireles residence that night? Like Ortiz or any of these other names?
Keryte?

What about Claycomb?
Who was the NMSP officers who worked that case?

Jim Keryte was a NMSP at time of Me;anies death. Then became the Chief of Police in Isleta. Jim lived with Mark for awhile, because Jim was going through a divorce.

Ahhhhh! ..... he looks like NMSP!

Whats Keryte roll?
State, City, County, crimes scene???

What else can you dig up on "Jim Keryte" ..... ??????
Tell us about him ??

Ole Luis is a good ole boy to have around. With all the off duty, time he puts in!

I am tell you....you Guys are absolutley terrific. You don't miss a beat...and the puzzle just gets bigger and starting to have a nice picture. Keep up the wonderful work investigators.

If he investigated Roberts death......thats why it was called a suicide!

Great.....I knew Luis Brown was in it up to his neck....but I wasn't quit sure where his part came in. He seems to be a player as well. Maybe Luis knows more about the missing crime scene photos, than he says he does???

On the 2nd of April their was a post mentioning Luis Brown. Some interesting facts to ponder: Luis Brown, Art Ortiz, and Jim Keryte met at I-Hop pancake house,after they went to the hospital the night Melanie died. Then the three of them went to Mark's house after. What did they do there? All three of them are friends of Mark's. Something else that is very interesting is Luis Brown investigated Roberts death and Stephanie Houston (case also on this website). He wasn't even on duty these nights he voluteered to investigate these two cases. In the interview with Dateline Luis Brown was choking so bad it was embarrassing. He couldn't awnser why he didn't investigate the McCraken house when he went back, and couldn't explain why he didn't find any drugs other than asprin. Friends shouldn't let friends get away with MURDER.

What are you trying to get of the board?

OK...I got a good one. We may have to change out of this one too, but for now this one should work because I tried it.
sluethy@doglover.com

That one isn't going to work...let me find a better one....
I'll get back with you later

We are going to need an email and take this off the board.

contact me at;

your@burntmail.com

( : I thought this was appropriate!

GREAT!.....you do that.....I will cover the rest of it....you get the info ...I know what to do with it

Ya OK Iam with you I will hit the bricks and see if I can gather more
Later.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO RODNEY????>????

He got shot too....this is WILD!
Generally if the policy is less than 2 yrs old, they won't pay on suicides, but after the 2 yrs. are up the policy pays. The wife has a vested interest in the husband, therefore the insurance is proper and she collects.

You all know when Rodney Jones got shot awhile back?
Kim made statements stateing she wished and hoped the f----- would
die why would she say that?

Yes...she did claim rape ...but that must have fell through! ..... no money from there!

You don't scam a rape and try to sue a police department for money if your innocent?

Innocence would basically be to try to garnish his wages for child support or something like that!

Persuasive Visit at 2am in the morning? That don't fit. Maybe at 3pm or 6pm in the evening. But not 2am. Did she set her clock to get out of bed at 2am and leave?

Did she wake Robert and tell him she was going for a little drive? <

Well.....that theory will work too.....but Robert was hit in the head before he was hanged! I think that was earlier in another posting.

I'm the New Comer who posted the string of questions a few posts down from this one. I still have all those questions. Especially the one about where Kim was supposed to have gone when she left the house for 20 minutes at 2 a.m. or thereabouts while Robert was being hanged?

I don't buy into her being part of a murder plot. More likely, she told Mark what was planned and agreed to leave the house while he had some of his buddies drop by to persuade Robert not to talk to Dateline. Then she comes home, and there's her husband, hanging in the garage. I don't think that's what she expected. But once it's done she sure can't go to the cops about it, because its the cops who did it. And she's an accessory.

I don't think she'd be collecting insurance money because life insurance policies don't usually cover suicide. So, if she really does now suddenly have a lot of money, then a pay-off does seem like a possibility.

Yes indeed....Kim is a very busy little girl! And very comforted financially now!

Insurance policy might be an avenew?????
Either that or a hunk of drug money or maybe both????

Absolutely Excellent.....Just what I was hoping to see on this web site. Sorry folks about the "All mixed up stuff" but you know.
You guys have been wonderful!
Well....I magine Robert had an insurance policy don't you!

I just read that last post saying "Kim at one time wanted to sue Bosque Farms Police Department along with her dad claiming that Rodney raped her while he was on duty." Do you mean that Rodney (whatever his last name is) was ALSO a cop? So now we've got the Bosque Farms PD involved in this as well?

As for Rodney Jones, he is another poor soul suckered into believing that he was Dakota's father, yet Robert was so kind hearted to accept this boy as his own and make the commitment to adopt him. This was supposed to take place on that Wednesday of the week he was killed. Killed by the real father of this boy Mark..... Kim at one time wanted to sue Bosque Farms Police Department along with her dad claiming that Rodney raped her while he was on duty.

Boy, you people have everything all mixed up!!! Kim is the one who lived next to McCracken with her parents in Bosque Farms while she was dating Robert. Robert's first wife had nothing to do with any of this, she was the only one who was good to him. Kim is the only one who had her hand in the pot!! Do you know that she has just purchased a new home and brand new vehicle without even having a job? How is this possible? Anyone know???

To be honest with you. No one really knows what Melanie might have known. She might have had information that got her killed. She had plans on leaving him and she may have been just like Kaitlyn Arquette. She may have known far to much to have let her walk out that door alive!

Look at the power he has.....I have never seen anything like it. He has the same powers that Matt Griffin had over everyone around him. Who incidently was also a NMSP officer before he moved up to APD, killing Peter Klunk. Damon Fay has some great importance for Mark McCracken, just like Matt Griffin was a great importance to others in the realm and world of Law Enforcement corruption.

This is why the Poster of Feb27th knew that Mark was not a "Phandering husband". For as much as she has told him how much she loves him and do anything in the world for him, he rejected her still.

What is so sad here, is you see a man who destroys peoples lives in so many ways. Making promises to someone he knows he will never want. Yet she holds on trying to prove how much she loves him and he manages to continue to string her small mind around his little finger.

What a sad thing to see someone caught under his sadistic powers and how he can get them to respond for him, through the deception of his twisted love for her, he convinces her to participate in his plot to kill her husband!

Well.....of-course they are good friends! Kim Mireles has always been in love with Mark McCracken. But he married Melanie. She could even be the mother of his child, but still he has never offered to take her as his mate. So she remains devoted to him and he promises her everything and gives her nothing. Remarries.....Kim marries Robert. Melanie comes up dead and Mark is a suspect. Robert comes up with information that could prove the abuse that was occurring in the home of McCrackens. Kim knows this information exists....so she takes her relentless love to Mark ..... and Robert is killed and the proof of abuse from the 911 calls walks out the door. He was only suppose to be rendered unconscious and the items removed out of his possession....was probably how it was explained to her.....but it was in fact a hit on Robert. But the courting continues on all levels .....and Kim has become an accessory to a murder and Mark still strings her along for her devotion!

Kim Mireles use to be McCrackens neighbor!

Kim Mireles was Roberts wife!

Who is denying facts that everyone knows was on those 911 call sheets? Is also the same person who is denying they ever saw EMS at McCrackens home?

You have one person (claiming to be a neighbor) deny there was parametics ever seen at the McCracken home.

You have 911 call sheets that disappeared!

Who is the person denying the facts that were on the 911 call sheets?????

The neighbor!

The point being made here has nothing to do with the EMS calls that indicated numerous visits to the household. The calls were made and there was EM service over there and someone whom was their neighbor also knows they had been there ..... but are denying there was ever such calls made and never any sign of parametics showing up at the McCrackens home.

Since the truth was in the paper work that Robert Mireles had in his possession, there is only this one individual who would know it existed and that is was stolen from the home the night of Roberts death.....

That would be Kim Mireles herself!

Your questions are legitimate. We are also wanting to get the entire facts of the that night Robert Mireles death. Yet, we had a post indicating there was a person who claimed to be McCrackens neighbor and in his defence of innocence ....they claim they never saw any EMS at the McCracken residence while they were living as neighbors. But a post was made back on Feb 27th which indicated they were the neighbors or McCrackens. The disappearance of the 911 calls and other information shows facts Melanie was visited by EMS on several occassions and Robert Mireles had these facts in his possession .... with the intentions of turning them over to Dateline interview.

So who is the neighbor denying the existance of numerous 911 calls and EMS residential visits .... unless it has to be someone who knows at this point this information can not be located and therefore can not be followed up on?

Only one person who would know that! The neighbor or Robert Mireles wife????

Which says the possibility of the post on the 27th could in fact be Mrs. Mireles herself ..... knowing the 911 call sheets have disappeared because they were removed from her husbands possession the night of his death. For the 911 sheets are verifying some very important information...important enough to loose your life over!

I'm new on this board and am trying to make sense out of the timing of all this. Please, correct me if I've got it wrong.

Kim (who was not yet married to Robert Mireles)was living next door to Mark and Melanie McCracken at the time of Melanie's death. So she's the one who said there were never any emergency vehicles at the McCracken house. Kim gets pregnant by somebody named Roddney Jones, but the child looks like Mark.

Melanie dies in 1995.

Mark McCracken remarries. Kim marries Robert Mireles. Mark and Kim remain friends but no longer next door neighbors.

1998, Nancy Grice's civil suit makes Mark a suspect. That's when the information about the 911 calls to Living Cross comes out.

A year or so later Dateline does a story on the case. Mireles, who is no longer with Living Cross, agrees to meet with the producer and show him the run sheets showing the calls to the McCracken house. Kim knows about this.

The night before the appointment with Dateline, in the "small hours of the morning," which I assume means like 2 a.m., Kim leaves the house for 20 minutes. She returns to find Mireles hanging in the garage. Mireles's briefcase with the run sheets is missing

What kind of errend did Kim go on for 20 minutes at that time of night?
What did she do when she found her husband's body?
Did she cut him down and give him respiration?
Did she call 911?
How long was it before rescue arrived?
Could they determine how long Mireles had been dead?
Where is Kim now?
Are Kim and Mark still close friends? <

The information about the missing paperwork is in Nancy Grice's original report linked to the Real Crimes home page. For full background on this case, people need to read that and not just the posts on this message board:

"The producer (from Dateline) arranged to interview Robert Mireles, former head of Living Cross Ambulance Service, about numerous 911 calls that had been maade from Melanie's home prior to her death. On those occasions, Mark did all of the talking, only allowing medics to check Melanie's vital signs. On one occasion Melanie was in bed wearing a turtle neck sweater that came up to her chin, even though the day was very warm, an apparent attempt to prevent medics from seeing the bruises on her neck. On another occasion, on which she wore a nightgown, paramedics noticed bruises on her shoulders. Mark McCracken explained those bruises by lying to the medics and saying his wife was "critically ill with leukemia." Dateline's meeting with Mr. Mireles never occurred, as Mireles was found hanging in his garage in the early morning hours of the day before his scheduled meeting with Dateline. EMS run sheets of 911 calls to the McCracken home, which are believed to have been in the possession of Robert Mireles in his briefcase at the time of his death, have never been located to date. Ambulance company employees have stated that there was at least one "report down" at breakfast where OMI investigator Luis Brown stated that something needed to be done about the domestic violence which existed in the McCracken home."

Sounds like a setup. The more players, the harder this is to unravel and I suspect the parties involved in the Mireles hit are associated to the Claycomb incident as well.

This woman lived next door to officer McCracken; had knowledge of the information her husband had on the McCracken case and also must had knowledge there was someone on their way to get that information from him the evening of his death.

A Feb 27th post 11:59:47, an individual claimed Officer McCracken was not a phlandering husband. They indicated they knew for a fact that no parametics were ever at the McCracken house, because they lived next door to him and his wife. "They were a close neighborhood and looked out for each other".

Mrs. Mireles knew what her husband had in his paper work and she knows the paper work is missing. I have went through the posts that were written before this post was documented. I can't find a post indicating there was anyone who made the statement or posted anything claiming parametics where at the McCracken home on several occassions. There is other information and I did see this information appear later on after this one particular posting. So I am wondering where that individual saw a statement such as this, before they posted on Feb. 27th????

Just a little reminder, these families are not going to let these crimes go. It is now 8 yrs later and information is still surfacing.

Who had 2 has beens? And who had what in who' s pot?
Sorry I dont get you.
Lets try this agin.

Kim lived next door to Mark............

Didn't Robert have any family ....who could push this issue about his death?

Besides these 2 old has-beens he was married too!

They both sound as if they had their fingers in the pot.

Well....KIM, your a very interesting lady. I bet there could be an accessory to the crime on this one.

You investigators.....great job!!! Keep turning those stones. Don't leave "Not Even One" unturned.

Are we talking about 2 different women in Roberts life who betrayed him, by revealing information to Mark about the knowledge and information he was going to give to date line???

Roberts Ex-wife? Who use to live next door to Mark?

Kim, Roberts current wife, who warned Mark about the exposure???

Did Robert and Kim both, live next door to Mark or was Mark not married to Melanie at the time???

Yeha ...who is Roberts ex-wife?

Kim warned Mark ...that Robert was going to turn information over to Dateline? Now does Robert have an X-wife, involved in this as well as the current one now widowed?????

The other thing about my e-mail is that the "ATTBI" has changed their name but said nothing about having to change e-mail address yet. Plus I am gettin other mail. Please try again. If it doesn't work let me know here and I will check with ATTBI. THanks Christi

My e-mail is "ccusulos@attbi.com" Christi

Welcome aboard Christi

OHHHHh....great information folks...... who are Marc's informants??? Drug informants you mean???? Yes that sounds like another set up ....lets here more about Kim?

who is Roberts Ex-Wife? Kim lived next door to Mark.
I hope both kim and mark get what thay have comeing to them.

Whats up with her and all this cop?

Your right about Kim's son Dekoya resembleing Mark isent that something?
Kim clims Dekota's father is some cop by the name of Roddny Jones I wonder if that is true .

The night of Robert's death, Kim left the house just before Robert died, giving Mark's informants who owed Mark a favor, just enough time to come in and take Robert down, and then hang him. How conveniant of Kim. She has to live with what she has done to such a perfect soul like Robert!! It will all come around in the END!!!

Robert's "ex-wife" was living next door to Mark at one time, she was the only one who knew that Robert had paperwork on him, and was going to give a deposition, and interview. Kim s the one that warned Mark that this was all going to happen!!! I know this for a fact, and her son Dakota sure resembles Mark to a T!!

Christi trying to e-mail you but e-mail returned. It said not valid server can you please enter it again. thx

Thanks, Sharon. Maybe your family will be of more help to him than I on some levels. I appreciate your offer and I will let him know.

Christi

We understand Christi. We know all too well what he is going through. I know somedays that he won't even want to get out of bed, and then there are days when he will think he is willing and able to take on the whole world to get the truth out. Been there, still doing that, and we don't want the T-shirt. If you need us, we will be here. Just keep loving him. Love and Truth are the only things that matter in this world in the end.
Sharon

Sharon, Thank you. I have your e-mail address. Someone sent it to my e-mail. I have to talk with my husband about how far he wants to take this. It really is up to him and right now his mourning is so great. It is all consuming. When I told him about this web-site he got excited and now he's depressed. I am waiting for a greenlight from him as to how or when to proceed.

If nothing else I am one of those people who can and will get answers and he knows it. He has to decide if he wants answers. That may sound strange to you, but I understand and my place in all of this is to support him and walk with him through this.

We really appreciate you. Trust me. More than you may ever know. It is not just the embarrassment. The whole world already knows. There is just other stuff.

I am not making much sense. You probably know all the stuff he is facing right now. I don't know or understand a lot of it. I just love him.

Again, Thank you Christi

Christi, please contact me. I am Gregg Meissner's mother (case is on this board) and I know a lot about suicide, accident or homicide by hanging. My son was supposed to look like a suicide, when that was ruled out, they tried to say it was an accident. We eventually got a conviction, but only on 3rd degree murder. We have kept fighting, had experts look at the crime scene photos etc. We would gladly try to put you into contact with anyone that may help you. You have a long battle, and for us, it's not over yet and probably will never be over.

If you want to you can contact the Real Crimes board, and they will forward anything to us, or they can give you our email address. Anything we can do, we will. People are murdering many people this way and getting away with it, because it can easily go down as suicide or an accident. Accident they say to shut many of us up, because of the embarassment that goes along with this. This is nothing but crap. Sharon

where did you get suicide out of "accident by hanging". It has been ruled an accident.

So he committed suicide????

Christi here. Just got the news that Dale's death has officially been ruled an accident by hanging. Still have not received autopsy report.

"INCREDIABLE" ...... Absolutely ...... "INCREDABLE" ...... I want to fall right out of my chair. This Officer has had every opportunity and every avenew to shut up every witness connected to his wifes death. Not only that....but we have one more EMT out there who could be in danger!!!!!!

This is the biggest internal "Spider Web" I have ever saw in my life. With State Police working every crime also connected to this officer. Every crime scene destroyed before proper investigation can be conducted..... Allowing every bit of evidence to be trampled on by whom ever pleased.

I "BELIEVE" one thing for certain......there will be "not one stone left unturned" and those of us that have not unturned it...let the Holy Spirit guide our feet to stubble over it, turning it anyway.....

God bless you, Christi. You have joined the Club that nobody ever wanted to be a member of. We families, on the Real Crimes site, look out for each other and help each other's causes. We will be here for you and the rest of Dale's family, whenever you need support

Absolutely EXCELLENT Christi......that is a start ....exactly what I was interested in...who did the investigation! What do you know...Good old State Police botching up every crime scene they get their hands on to cover up. Very interesting that McCracken has that district too.....what ANOTHER Coincidence!!!!!!!!!!!!

GEZZZZZzzzzz I can't believe this......This is absolutely the biggest mess I have ever saw in my life. These ppl have to be stopped,....

These "COINCIDENCES" are just to Universeally impossible!!!!

This is Christi, Dales daughter-in-law. I have a forensic profiler that is going to look at Dale's death for me. Until the coroner's office releases the autopsy report along with the photos of the scene, I have not many more answers than you. Someone did ask a very interesting question - Who had access to his house?

A couple of interesting things are:
1) I understand that Mark McCracken lives in Edgewood.

2) Mark's area of supervision includes Edgewood

3) The State Police have a contract with the township of Edgewood to respond to it. That is why they responded to Dale's death rather then the Sheriff's office. The Sheriff's office did do the welfare check but then turned over the scene and Dale to the State Police as a result of this contract

4) The State Police let people into Dale's house that were not legally next-of-kin and told them to clear it out as soon as possible so that neighbors did not rob the place - we strongly objected and they refused to secure the scene even though we were arriving the next day...My husband is legally next-of-kin

5) Dale is not the only paramedic that can testify to what he knows about the McCracken case. There was another paramedic on the helicopter.

But if we look at the scene and the evidence when it is available - I think there will be more answers.

I have been searching about Autoerotic asphyxia and the "profile" that goes with it. There really isn't one as far as age and gender and sexual orientation. However, there are other aspects that I am waiting for the MI's report to get the answers to.

The best resource we could possibly ask for is Dale Claycomb's daughter-in-law.

Are you able to share information about Dale's death and the family's belief about what happened? Or would that get in the way of an on-going investigation?

There is nothing to go on, to help you get your answers, only an obituary that says he died of an accident. Dale Claycomb does not fit the profile of autoerotic asphyxiation victim.... NO WAY!! He just don't fit the Profile. Got to be something more ......???????

Someone had to have accessed his home and set him up!

It's hard to dig when you have no chicken scratch

Several poster have asked if anyone know's any thing or if they have heard anything about Dale Claycomb, but no one, as of yet seems to know.

Well....you know, all we here on here is that Dale Claycomb died from Erotic suffocation from someone, who seems to be in a whole lot of denial about a lot of stuff. No one seems to know anything. I for one do not in anyway believe that ..... any more than I believe Robert Mireles committed suicide.

I am Dale Claycomb's daughter-in-law (The other Paramedic in the McCracken case). We know that Dale did not commit suicide. My husband talked with him an hour or so before he died. If anyone finds out any information or just wants to tell me something my E-mail is ccusulos@attbi.com. Thank you.

I read a comment from someone around feb 13 that said they have known Mark McCracken for 5 years and how wonderful he is. The close friends of Ted Bundy's could not believe his actions either because of how wonderful he was. I believe the media is sensationalizing the case because that is what they do. But that does not make them wrong. It just makes them sensational. But anyone who can avoid the facts and say he is innocent because he is a nice guy and he would not do something like this is as guilty of extreme behavior as they are accusing the media of being. Mark being nice does not mean he is innocent. It just means he is nice. "Nice" and "innocent" are distinctively different and separate. They are not related at all. One does not even rely on the other.

Do it.... SEND it to these addresses below. You don't have to reveal anything about who you are. Just make contact with the realcrimes webmaster. I promise you, that you will be safe and secure. Your identity does not have to be revealed.

DO IT PLEASE!!!!!

Response:Anyone else with related information, please, do the same. This will carry more weight if it comes from more than one source.

Why would anyone want to send information to Nancy Grice's PI. Why not send it to Robert Harris who is officially taking care of the case.

Response:He should definitely do that as well.

The problem that several people have experienced in submitting information directly to Robert Harris is that they can't get through to him without identifying themselves. Whereas the private investigator will accept information from an anonymous source, follow up on it to verify it, and then act as a middle man in presenting the info to Mr. Harris, thereby protecting the tipster's identity.

There's no reason not to submit the information to both parties.

If you can answer these questions..... do you know when they lived as neighbors and for how long?

Response:FROM THE WEB MASTER: Information about the deaths of Robert Mireles and/or EMT Dale Claycomb should be submitted directly to Nancy Grice's P.I., rather than displayed on this message board. If the person with that information is insecure about our confidentiality guarantee, there are ways to get around that.

(1) Send an e-mail message from a computer other than your own -- library, school, internet cafe, etc.

(2) Send a letter by U.S. mail, addressed to: Corwin Research Investigations, 1809 Moon NE, Suite 9, Albq. NM 87112."

In either case, please, include every detail you have, including the names of the police officers.

What was her relationship to the McCrackens? Did they all know each other as couples sometimes do?

Did her and Robert both live next door to McCracken? Were they (or was she)living next door to the McCrackens when he and melanie were married?

I have never believed Robert killed himself.....NEVER have I believed that! I don't believe the other EMT killed himself either! I beleive what your saying!

Robert loved her very much she was and is crap he thought he could change her.everyone know Robert was a careing person. and would do any thing for anyone.
Yes. she knows alot.I dont think will Reval.
she was mark's next door neighbor at one time.
yes i think she knows more about her husband death then she revealed.
and yes to your last question.
Why would any anyone want to work out befor killing one salf?????????????

If you can't answer these types of questions.....what do you know about the relationship between her and her husband?

Would you say that she might know enough to reveal facts about all three deaths?

Would you say she knows more about Melanies death than what anyone would suspect???

Would you say she knows more about her husbands death than what she has revealed?

So what your saying is that Mrs. Mireles knows McCracken and a few others better than most????

Knowing information and proving are two different thing's
Nancy Grice's should know that by now.
no one else wants to wind up like the two emt's you can't trust cop's at all.
not in this old town.
Identity is never kept confidential.
Every one knows Kim Mireles is a big Ho all cop's love her.

YES! Please do reveal what you know about Robert Mireles's wife's infor to the web master.... PLEASE!!!! Don't hold out .....share your information to help with this case!

Whoever said that we trusted the cops 100%, in the beginning were 100%correct. So did we. It isn't like they let you follow them around and check up on them. If someone you love is murdered, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO THE BODY OR ANY EVIDENCE. Police have every right to keep everything forever, they get a coroner to mark "cannot be determined" Once they have this they can keep the evidence forever (destroy it or lose later) because it could be a murder It is not so much trust, as it is we have hope and pray that they are doing the right thing, because no one else has the authority. This is exactly what would have happened to us, but we had the advantage of me finding him,and I saw way too much in that short time. We are so vulnerable during this time that it is easy to get us to agree to things. They had my son calll a doctor to get something to calm me down. Zannex was what they gave me. Sharon aka Gregg's Mom

Re: Melanie McMcracken
Has any one ever Questioned Mr Robert"s Mireles wife?
she is responsoble for alot and knows a lot i hope she burns in hell.

Response:It sounds like you have information that could help with this case. Please, send it by private e-mail to Nancy Grice's private investigator, c/o this website -- "justiceproject@earthlink.net". We guarantee that your identity will be kept confidential.

Most of us were fooled by the police and gave 100% trust to them.
How were any of us to know that they would not and were not going to investigate and solve what happened to our children?

Re: Kait Arquette

The police department took it upon themselves to junk Kait's car without your permission? Are there any photographs taken of the car that could help?

Response: Lois Arquette responds:

We did give permission. We were informed on the day of Kait's funeral that the police were finished with the car and we could either come down to the salvage yard and retrieve it or let them junk it. We were also advised that Kait's blood and brains were all over the front floor boards. We told them to junk it.

In retrospect, that was a foolish decision, but at the time we trusted that the police had done their job and all the physical evidence was on record.

It took years of public records request, but we were finally able to get some of the scene photos, (the APD legal department first tried to tell us that photos aren't public records). But a number of the scene photos have been withheld from us, and all the photos and negatives from the second-day work-up are missing.

From Lois Duncan Arquette, (Kait Arquette's mother):

Yes, Det. Damon Fay was involved in the APD investigation of our daughter's murder.

In Chapter Seven of Who Killed My Daughter?, I quote a conversation with Kait's oldest sister, Robin:

"It seems that the Vietnamese men may be innocent," I said. "(Case detective) Gallegos agrees with the rest of the department now. He thinks it's a random shooting."
"Not everybody in the department thinks that," Robin said. "I talked with my friend Maritza yesterday. One of the homicide detectives is a longtime buddy of hers, and he told her there's just no way Kait's shooting was 'random.' He said it has the earmarks of a professional hit."

That detective was Damon Fay. According to Maritza, "I specifically remember him (Det. Fay) saying that the location of one of the bullets in the car indicated that the shooting was NOT random. That the shot had to be aimed at a target. I also recall that this bullet was found LATER, not during the initial investigation."

However, when APD decided that they wanted Kait's shooting to appear to be a "random drive-by," they removed all reports about the second-day work-up on Kait's car from the case file and inserted a note stating that no evidence hold was placed on Kait's car and it was hauled directly from the scene of the shooting to the salvage yard. So there's nothing on record about that telltale bullet. Det. Fay now says the shooting was "random."

I haven't been able to as of yet.....but I have been checking into it!

If I remember right, Damon Fay was also involved in the Kaitlyn Arquette case. Can anybody confirm that?

January 1989 Peter Klunck was shot dead by APD officer Matt Griffin who was later prosectuted for drug trafficking and bank robbery(Ninja Bandi)as well as other criminal activity.

May 28th 1993 Sal Martinez attends a Bachelor party and is shot by a stray bullet fired by a known drug trafficker, as he arrived and walked through the door to the party.
APD Homicides detective "Damon Fay" said Darryl Fowler was not going to be charged because it was "SELF-DEFENCE!"

1995 Shortly after Melamine McCracken's murder, APD homicide detective "Damon Fay" reaching out of jurisdiction calls Nancy Grice and threatens to have her arrested for obstructing justice if she continued to question the circumstances of her daughters death!"

January 15th, 1998 Stephen Harr was shot by a known drug dealer in an apartment residence of a known CI for APD. He was shot in the chest and fell to the floor on his stomach, then shot in the back. The shooter Travis Dally was never arrested after he claimed self-defence. OMI stated one of the wounds indicated that Stephan was shot by someone standing over him when he was already down. APD Homicide Detective "Damon Fay" stated that "Travis Dally had to get out the door. Stephan was lying there, bleeding to death and Travis had to get out the door? Stephan was in the way, so it's okay to shoot him twice?"

Now if that isn't a "COP" dabbling on the darkside, I don't know what you would call it? Sticking his nose into a case that he has no juridiction over and doing it for another cop who has connections in the same line of dabbling that Damon Fay has been doing for years, for pay-offs and kick-backs.

Well, you have Damon Fay. I see he is involved with several on this site as a "COVER-UP" artist. In fact I wonder how he sleeps at night. Though there's got to be a lot of cops who sleep pretty well knowing about the kick-backs they've got coming for covering up all the "Drug Infested" homicides they work. Now do you all see why Gov. Gary Johnson wanted to legalize drugs? This is the only way to stop the corruption in all the Law Enforcment agencies that are up to their necks in the kick backs for covering up homicides related to drugs and drug trafficking. We have 2 main veins in New Mexico. One coming up out of Los Cruses and another down below Silver City. You get rid of one bad officer and there breeds another corrupt officer. Every single one of these cases in New Mexico is drug related in some way. If it isn't related in the fact that whom ever was killed was participating, then their boyfriends were or they knew someone who was. As for the McCracken case. He, himself is in it for the kick-backs. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Same with good old "Damon Fay" ..... and to prove my point who do you think dismissed the OMI's requests to have the McCracken case turned over to outside Law enforcement? Our buddy "Darren White" who happens to be the Sheriff of Bernallio county! Another county that sits in the main line of drug transport through out the United States (I didn't say state). When Gov. Johnson said "Legalize Drugs" this is what he meant. For it is Darren White that stepped up in Johnson's face about this issue all the while he was helping to cover the criminal acts of his own officers recieving kick-backs for these NMSP officers allowing murders to go un-investigated that had in some way a connection to the drug world. Officer McCracken, Officer Ortiz, Officer Fay, and we can't forget Valencia County Sheriffs Dept or Soccoro PD, Sandavol County and, beg my pardon, I don't want to leave out all the slimy DA's they have corrupted through out the years either. For everyone of these crimes where an officer covered up a Homicide, on the back side of that you had a crooked DA .... If you have an honest DA who works for the people, consider yourselves lucky ..... because they are "NOT" a dime a dozen! Yes, these boys all sleep together and they are called the "Peoples Enemy!" Gov. Gary Johnson was a smart man, for he could see what was happening to our state sitting on the border of Mexico and how we were never going to be able to whip the war on drugs. What it was doing to our system. How corruption in our judicial systems were and are increasing and how our Law Enforcement officers were becoming involved with the money that drug trafficking unfolds. Almost seems like we are doomed and have no way out! Homeland security will be dipping into the funds for Drug Task Force programs and although the funding will stop or become a bare minimal, the money will continue to flourish through out the Drug world and all it's supporters.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if Ann Rule wrote a book about this case!!!

Re: Ann Rule (posted by Lois Duncan, Kaitlyn Arquette's mother):

I just received an e-mail from Leslie Rule, daughter of best-selling true crime writer, Ann Rule. Leslie says: "THIS FRIDAY NIGHT (March 21st) my mom's BRAND NEW MOVIE about her friendship with serial killer Ted Bundy will air on the USA network at 8 p.m. In THE STRANGER BESIDE ME, Barbara Hershey is playing my mom and there is even an actress playing ME!!!!"

I hope you will join me in watching this movie. Ann Rule, a former police officer, is a friend to all crime victims. She's a frequent visitor to the Real Crimes web site and several of the families whose stories are featured on the site were referred here by Ann.

On a personal level, Ann did a great kindness to me by reviewing my book, Who Killed My Daughter?, and endorsing it as follows: "This book will break your heart ... No book equals this one for credibility, bleak truth and mind-chilling horror. You will both weep and cheer for the feisty mother who seeks answers at any cost. I have read 2,000 homicide case files. Not one gripped me as this book did." That was the point where police had dropped off Kait's unsolved case and were running us down to everybody as grief-befuddled trouble-makers. When I read Ann's statement on the book jacket, "this feisty mother" burst into tears.

Your a busy man too I see!~

Damon Fay?

I see Officer Ortiz has had his face in the middle of another non-investigated incident .... and low and behold let us Cover - up for the Sheriffs department. Gabino Venegas case?????

Boy these names sure do keep cropping up every where. I think we have a list of names beginning here that need some thorough investigation into some form of illicit activity!

He couldn't arrest her. That is completely out of his jurisdiction! Guess that means he is sleeping with the enemy too!


Damon Fay .... Art Ortiz .....Brown ... old DA .... this mess had to go all the way to the DA's office????
Maybe we have some racketeering going on. I refuse to believe McCracken would be that special for everyone to lay down their jobs and their life for him reguardless. No one is that special. Had to have something deep going on with the old DA ...the old Sheriff, and Fay who wasn't even in his own jurisdiction, making threats ("ON WHAT GROUNDS???") out of territory, Ortiz as well??????? All these people don't just protect one guy who will eventually take them down in the end unless they have something deeper. Usually good-ole-boy stuff, is deep in sh** clear up to their Nasal passages! Illegal and lots of kick-backs!

It seems like one of the things that makes justice elusive in New Mexico is the incestuous relationship between the DA's Office, the State Police, and the city Police. The fact that APD Detective Damon Fay would phone Nancy Grice and threaten to have her arrested if she questioned the circumstances of Melanie's death is unbelievable. Why did he think he had the authority to do that? APD had nothing to do with that case.

Is Detective Fay one of McCracken's personal buddies?

I agree that public pressure can be a very interesting avenue. Just don't "give up, shut up" ..... stay strong and make sure you are continuosly heard!

You should certainly make a "LOUD" request to keep local FBI agents out of the investigation due to the partiality they have with local LEO's.

Might take a lot of work to pull all the cases together, but it isn't any more work than it is by this time....since you all have had to do your own investgations!!!!1

Try the Presidents Intergity and Efficiency Committee on the FBI website

You can call the FBI, but from my experience with them, all they do is send it back to the local FBI and then forget it. The local FBI are most likely friends and co workers of the very cops that you want them to investigate. The other thing they do is to say that they are looking into it and start a file. The file sits for years and nothing happens. Best to bother the media. Law enforcement can say they can't divulge anything because of the investigation, which could mean stonewalling and in incidences such as the cases here that is usually what it is. Sharon aka Gregg's Mom

Maybe everyone should pull all this info together and call in the FBI under the whistelblowers law?????

Reading the new "Troy Pino" case on this web site, it seems to me that NONE of the police departments in New Mexico are capable of doing a proper investigation and most homicide cases become a cover up, especially if the assailant is a cop or the friend of a cop.

How can this happen over and over again and nothing be done about the corruption? Where are the higher ups? The Governor, Senators, State Attorney General, etc.? They are well aware of the many problems within the police departments.

The corruption dates back as far as Kaitlyn Arquette case in 1989, and probably further than that. In Kaitlyn's case, the corruption in the Albuquerque Police Department was exposed in Lois Duncan's book, "Who Killed My Daughter" also in the media, articles were written about Kaitlyn's case, talk shows were done, and the case aired on Unsolved Mysteries. BUT to this date and in the year 2003, the Justice Department has not done a damn thing to correct the problem.

What is and has been going on in the law enforcement agencies in NM is not a secret, they have been exposed many times.

When is someone going to stand up, give the victims justice, give the families peace of mind? Must be something we can do, but what?

VERY GOOD POST.....what I hope to see occurr here is the OMI has some kind of influence with the AG's Office once she speaks to them. The article indicated that she wanted to speak to the AG office about this case. I hope her influence is felt.....if not...let us continue on pulling out the truth! On both cases! I feel they are very much in tune with each other because of the behavioral evidence covering both vitctims of Domestic Violence and their abusers!

Today's Albuquerque Journal article on Stephanie Houston by Katie Burford, was well done in laying out the information concerning Stephanie's death. While there is too much information to be able to include all pertinent information in the article, the main points came through loud and clear. How could Stephanie have sustained so much injury from one trailer tire? Why did Dr. Enstice have serious concerns about the death being labeled an accident? The article also included info that showed NMSP was aware that Stephanie was counseled at a domestic violence shelter and sought info on a restraining order just prior to her death.

Rumour has it, that NMSP went to the trouble this past week to measure the pickup truck and trailer driven by Patrick Murillo to evaluate Stephanie's injuries relative to the truck and trailer. While it should have been done in February 2000, NMSP should get some credit for being willing to follow up on some investigation work that was not previously done. Particularly if their purpose in conducting the measurements was to evaluate the info instead of just adding another item to their procedural checklist.Let us hope that the good people of NMSP recognize the value in working a cold case to it's fullest extent instead of attacking those that advocated on behalf of the Houston family.Forget about the AG's office though, they will not do anything further on behalf of the Houston family. It's easier to shoot the messenger than it is to do one's job. Too bad for Patty Madrid, though, since any further political aspirations are tied to the voter's of New Mexico. Allowing the concealing of domestic violence homicides can't be good for higher office.You'd think she would recognize that.

You both identifying with each other....how nice of you both to find such comfort in one anothers company!

PATRICK! I see you have made the news paper once again....looks like the Attorney Generals office is going to look into your case. I guess you and your side kick....the President could be sharing the same cell!

I wonder if anyone finds it as interesting as I do .... how easily Officer McCracken identified with the perpetrator and not the victim???

Or how nervous he got when he saw the information surface about Stephanies abusive relationship after her death, that was revealed by 911 calls, hospital admittances and other revealing career threating information that could be laying out there for others to pull up????

: NO Kidding? I need to read that!

Response:It's in the West Side edition. Hopefully by tomorrow we can copy and post it.

For the person who keeps insisting that Mark McCracken was not the scene supervisor for the botched up Stephanie Houston case:

In today's edition of the Albq. Journal (Sunday, 3/16/03) there is an article about the Stephanie Houston suspicious death. It states that "STATE POLICE SGT. MARK MCCRACKEN, WHO IS LISTED AS THE SCENE SUPERVISOR"
declined to be interviewed for the article.

You can call this crazy...but....appaerntly Officer McCracken wasn't unconscious if he was out of the car walking around when ppl started to show up on scene. What is crazy, he was up walking around on scene when they did show up and Melanies dead cool to the touch body, had shoes and sox on?????? I guess there wasn't time to drag her out of the back seat and get her positioned in the front seat.
Geeeezzzz ..... I wonder if she was carring her purse and ID on here too????

Yeah....It's looking kinda like we have one murder and then we have 2 more to cover up the first murder?????

It sure don't look to me like the story is changing! Someone said the story changes all the time and we all look crazy and psycho! What it does look like, the "STORY" is just getting a lot bigger that it did in the beginning! Things are starting to fit together in such a way that one murder looks like it could turn into two and possibly three! Is that what you mean when you say that Ms. Grice has ruined this website???? Well hate to tell you the heart breaking news here, but I am not Nancy Grice, I am looking at a bigger picture and a lot more pieces, because they look to much alike, to closely related, SO closely related that one would have to begin questioning?? ....

I just can't understand why anyone would have a problem with the picture begins to look like when the puzzle starts to pull together like "One GREAT Big Huge SPIDER Web" the size a "Trantula" would make.... if trantula's could spin webs!

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Both of these parametics had crucial information and were related to this case. Those are 2 other "Facts" that we know of and ....I can't see why anyone would have a problem with that either????? One parametci had his crucial information removed from his house after his attack. The DA already said there were pictures of the crime scene missing. There were also 911 tapes missing??? I just can't understand why anyone would call us all crazy??? Have you ever put a jigsaw puzzle together? Well at this point it looks about the same to me...hunting pieces that match; finding pieces that look like they fit together.

I just can't seem to buy the coincidential theory! Nothing wrong with that either! Both parametics died virtually by the same cause of death Asphyxia/suffocation?????

Now since that is just a little to coincidential ..... shouldn't be a problem either. The pieces are all related ...very simular....and connect "QUITE" well. Now if it bothers you that they all connect so well, we apologize for creating an abundance of termoil because it looks pretty strange to you as well....but ..... these are Facts! They all connect ....can't see why you would have a problem with that either????? It's kinda like connecting the dots too!

And of-course, this is where we begin! I just can't understand why anyone would have a problem with that????????

These are "FACTS" and we do not need any autopsy's to prove these two particular facts!

I believe the real issue here is Melanie being murdered! What the problem is, her husband was the last one to see her alive and the one who was caught with her dead body in his possession!

Amen! ..... Continue on Investigators! Your doing a wonderful job. I think we are getting a grasp on the whole picture by putting the puzzle pieces together. All officers are trained or have some form of training in Homicide investigation. One person posted that they go through an extensive training for Asphixial/suffocation and they explain what to look for to see if you are really looking at a suicide and/or homicide. The investigation is the most "Valuable Tool in these types of deaths.

But what is more interesting is the ideas of homicides staged as suicides ....the information is plentiful. So they are studying about not only how to solve a homicide but how to stage one as well.

It just depends what side you are on as to what you do with the information. Your either an investigator to find out the truth or a perpetrator who is filled with many great ideas on how to kill someone and make it look like a suicide. What is even more interesting is how many of the crimes that are staged as erotic asphyxia suffocation and hangings, are really homicides made to look like an accident. Just like what happened to Greggs murder! It was staged and covered to appear like as if it was something else. It is just like all the crimes on this website....almost everyone of them are staged to look like something other than what they really are, by professionals who have the techniques written in books they study to be professionals.

How can you say Nancy Grice hurts this website? Ms. Grice doesn't read or post here. She has endured enough pain. If Mark gets hurt by the postings, too bad! This website is to get Melanies case and others like it in the public eye. I guess it is working or you wouldn't get upset. To say that Ms. Grice or any of these other families hurt this website is ridiculous. If just one of these cases gets the justice the families deserves, then it is all worth it. If your feelings get hurt too F***** bad.

To say that Nancy hurts the web site as a whole is really a strange statement. I tdon't hink Melanie's family hurts anything except whoever was responsible for their daughter's death. The remarks you made makes me remember how many times I was called distraught, emotional, hysterical,exasperating and in shock. Well, I might have been all of those things, but the truth is I was RIGHT!!! The people using these pretty words to actually tell the public I was crazy were none other than our wonderful ex sheriff, his deputy, his brother in law (police chief in our town), and a good buddy of his for years from the BCA. So you see if you think trying to belittle Melanie's family and supporters is going to matter to us, you are wrong. We have all been called many names and had many stories told by police officers and their families and friends. We have endured, because our children matter just as much as yours or anyone else's in this world. Sharon aka Gregg's Mom

Response:The post above refers to the Gregg Meissner death-by-hanging case, which police tried to pass off as a suicide. Gregg's parents refused to accept that finding, and Gregg's killer (who turned out to be a confidential informant for the Seriff's Dept.) was eventually tried and convicted.

As it has been said before Nancy Grice hurts the integrity of this website and your stories. For all of you that have merit I do feel for you and pray I never have to go through losing a child of my own. But the fact remains that Mark is innocent and Nancy has misrepresented the facts in this case to make him look guilty. This hurts the website as a whole.

Someone needs to look into the Dale Claycomb incident. Vitally important to this case. Erotic asphyxia don't fit. Follow that gut intuition and instinct. Mine says this don't fit at all. To many circumstances surrounding his death. Hangings are an easy coverup just like any asphyxiation. This one does not fit the picture. Someone needs to persue that case. What we need is "time before the crime" The person who stated your feelings. You said you had just begun. See if you can get some facts rolling on that one too.
PLEASE!!!!

NO WAY DO I BELIEVE THIS MAN ACCIDENTLY KILLED HIMSELF.....his death could be a cover up too!

If Mark is innocent why didn't he go to the gravesite when Melanie was exhumed. If he was such a loving husband you think he would have been there. When Melanie was exhumed she finally gave her statement to the police, and justice will be done. You may think "undetermined" means your safe, but it doesn't. "Undertermined" means that your State Police friends covered up the investigation. They left out vital information so the pathologist could not list a cause of death, but now Melanie and all the evidence are talking. The DA's investigation (the only one to be done) and the independent investigator the DA hired are unraveling the truth. The expert pathologist hired by the DA ruled her death Homocide by Exclusion. Is that what you were afraid of? Innocent is becoming a fairy tale. Guilty is becoming reality.

I am the person who posted Mar 13 at 1905. What does the truth hurt? I didn't threaten anyone I just made a statemet to the fact that if Melanie had been my daughter what I would have done. Ms. Grice has had to endure more pain than any mother should have to endure. She has done everything the LEGAL way, and 7 1/2 year later she is going to finally get her justice. I wouldn't be that patient. I would have gone for instant gratification. The only reason you want me off this site is so you don't have to face reality. You don't like the fact that I know what I know, and you don't want everyone else to know. I know more than you think. I've just begun. I will continue to post, because I like that I make you panic. You never know what facts I will post next, so you keep coming back. Do you come back because your trying to convince yourself he's innocent or do you come back to see how much we really know? The only thing you have done so far is say he is innocent, but saying he's innocent doesn't make him innocent. When all is said an done 12 jurors will say he is guilty. Will you keep defending him?

Response:From the web master: If you, or anyone else, has information that has not yet been revealed, please, send it by private e-mail to Nancy Grice and her private investigator c/o this web site.

When Mark is convicted the ball will begin to roll, and all his "friends" who helped with the coverup will one by one become his roomates in prison. They may think they have gotten away with murder, but their lies will be exposed. When their involment comes to light they will be in front of the grand jury either by the DA or the petitions that have been signed.

This website is for the victims of police coverups. You may not like what we say, but that is too bad. The families of these victims deserve answers. Whether you want to believe it or not there are bad cops. These cases deserve to be investigated. It should not matter that the suspects are police officers. This website gives the families a voice in persuing justice. When all is said and done the victims will not have died in vain. If you are so ignorant to believe that Mark or any other officer couldn't cross the line between protector and criminal then I feel sorry for you. If you have children I feel sorry for them. If they died at the hands of one of these idiots, you would obviously not question anything or fight for the truth. So when you come here and call them liars try to put yourself in their shoes for a minute. Let them be heard. When Mark is convicted come here and eat your words.

DO you know how many crimes have been tried on CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE?????? And got a conviction.... This is what this is sweets...Circumstanical evidence ...the eveidence of circumstances. A good DA can turn everything a good criminal lawyer into a peice of crumbled cake crumbs...and remember it is all in how you present your case....has nothing to do with physical evidence in circumstancial evidence ...

Timothy Allen 1995 murder was convicted of kidnapping and murder by circumstancial evidenc and he is on Death row!

One more thing, Everything that was exchanged here today is called evidence. Just keep talking and it will be all the better for me. I did not threaten you once. Look up threat in that dictionary while you're at it. I might have insulted you, but turnabout is fair play when you called me a liar. If you didn't then you better learn to be more specific on what you are posting, because you just told the whole world every case at this web site was nothing but hearsay.

"Oh and just in case your wondering~ for all you hard working investigators. Nothing on this website is anything but hear-say. You're not doing anything but making yourself look psycho." This is from your posting earlier today.

Sorry, but you are wrong again, when you told any investigators that everything on this site is hearsay, then you are talking about my son's case.

I am not threatening you. I said that a good attorney would eat you for breakfast, and they would. That is not a threat, that's a fact. I also told you that I could sue you for defamation of character for saying that everything at this web site is hearsay. I have facts, evidence, and documentation to prove what I have said is true, so therefore what you are saying is everyone that has said anything on this whole web site has nothing to base their findings on. What you are saying is that all we have is hearsay on our case. This is a big lie and if believed would definitely destroy my credibility. That is defamation of character. Liable, false statements in writing. I guess that should explain it, unless you think this is a lie too. I hope you can get a dictionary and prove me wrong.

All I said about Melanie's murder was that if there is an autopsy report that says there were 3 drugs in her system, then get it and post it here. It's that simple to prove you are telling the truth. So go out and prove your truths, if you can.

First of all nobody ever claimed that anything said about the Meissner case was false. We are talking about the McCracken case and all the lies that you keep being sucked into believing. Again I remind you to look over the terms and agreements and be careful what you say and how you word things or else you will not have a voice at all on this message board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You go ahead and keep on making your threats and I will make sure the web master takes care of you!

Btw, I didn't say I was an investigator, I said I am good at investigation. Typical twisting of the facts.
I am not lying to you about anything, the facts I am talking about are in the case of my son's murder and have nothing to do with Melanie's murder. I am calling you out for saying that everything on this web site is nothing but hearsay, and the more you talk the dumber everyone knows you are. You better get your facts straight because a good attorney would eat you for breakfast.
Sharon aka Gregg's Mom

Typical cop chattering, that doesn't amount to anything. I am talking about our case and I am not lying. I have the documentation to prove it. I guess the trial transcripts, transcripts from the depositions, the forensic reports, police reports, are all based on lies. No one is that good of a liar to actually have the documentation from the court records, or are you trying to say that I have fraudulent documents? If so, it's easy to prove, get the documentation yourself and see if they are the same.

You're not the sharpest tool in the shed? Now are you?? The philosophy on lying you are trying to say is, If a lie is told often enough and loud enough it becomes fact. that is exactly what the cops have done time and time again to many people, therefore you should know this saying by now.

Don't try to outwit me, you will be sorry, just like many cops and the likes in this area are. It is time for the guilty to be exposed and the innocent to get justice.
Sharon aka Gregg's Mom

I'm not a police officer so you should have no problem there. Its obvious you think you know everything, however, I am not making this up as I go, so it is obvious to me that you don't. So get off your highhorse. If you are a brilliant investigator why are your facts all screwed up. I'll tell you why, cause you don't know. You don't have a clue. I know you want everyone here to believe you don't but those in the know, know that you don't.

You say you are some great investigator, but what you do is repeat the lies that the others on here are saying. If you repeat someone elses lie, even if you believe it is the truth, if it is not factual, it is still a lie, and therefore not slander or liable. I have no doubt that you believe what you are saying, I am just saying that it is a lie, whether you know it or not.

He is innocent CUZ he is, and CUZ he's not guilty.

Fine if he is so innocent, then why don't you prove it?? Put the autopsy report out that states Melanie had 3 drugs in her system.
Btw, I wasn't writing about the McCracken case, I was writing about our case not being hearsay. I love the way when confronted with info that could be your undoing, you just act like your laughing. I wonder if you aren't shaking in your shoes just a little. someone in your camp left a message everything on this site was nothing but hearsay, and I can prove you are very wrong on this.

why didn't you say, go ahead and get the reports it will prove what we are saying is true? Of course most here don't believe police reports. It's like the Rodney King assault, do you really think the original police reports stated, we beat the snot out of the perp. I think it read something like, had to subdue the perp.

Instead or being sure that the evidence will prove McCracken innocent, you act like I don't know what I'm talking about. check with some attorneys they will tell you that any joe blow on the street can get these documents if they have the money to pay for the copying. BTW, ask a lawyer what liable, perjury, aiding & abetting are, it may come in handy someday. Sharon aka Gregg's Mom

{laughing} Your whole version of the story is BS. Mark is Innocent.

This is my first time here.....wow...definetely Innocent, Innocent, Innocent.

Everything on this board is nothing but hearsay. Well,I guess the court transcripts, the cancelled forensics, the informant packet, civl suit and the second autopsy is just hearsay in our case. I'm so disappointed that we have spent around $80,000 for just hearsay. You'd think after all these years we would know hearsay from facts???Before you say things make sure what you are looking at. I could actually sue you for defamation of character. You called us liars. the cops have done this and I don't take too kindly to it, since it was them that lied in the first damn place and continue to do so to this day. You have called everyone here liars. I guess this is just the way that cops cover their own *sses, everyone else lies but them. I didn't get back to you about discussing this case with you, because my mother died February 25, and therefore didn't have time to answer. I would gladly meet with you, but get it into your head I don't trust any cop, anywhere, and can smell a lie a mile away. I am good at forensics, crime scene evidence and invsestigation, the judicial process, and most everything that you can associate with murder. I really don't think you want to come up against me, unless you are absolutely positive you are right. If you do and I prove you wrong, I will expose every lie to the world as best I can. BTW, the police reports, forensics, 911 call, autopsy, and anything else in this case can be gotten through the freedom of information act. It is there for anyone that has the $.08-$.25 a page for copying. I bet you didn't know that!!!! See how easy it is to check this out???
Sharon aka Gregg's Mom

Hey webmaster maybe you should re-read your own terms and agreements. I believe that threatening anyone on this website is prohibited and that those making threats will be kicked off the message board. I will refer you to two posts: March 13 19:42 and March 13 19:05.

And as for Dale Claycomb? The media did not want to embarass his family.

Oh and just in case your wondering~ for all you hard working investigators. Nothing on this website is anything but hear-say. You're not doing anything but making yourself look psycho.

And one more thing! If he can be linked to the Robert Mireles and the Dale Claycomb cases....we have serial murder!!

And who was talking about everyones twitching eyes about 2 weeks ago???

OHHHHhhh......Yeah...that must be why Dale Claycomb was killed. Guess the NMSP have every reason to be "ABSOLUTELY SO EMMBARASSED" and humiliated ...... not only that be to have all this come to light. I was the one who wanted times because I know Dale Claycomb died at this guys hands too and he had to have some real good stuff on him to have been killed. Took him 1 hour to get to an area that could be drove in 5 minutes. I DON"T THINK SO! He waited it out. He was hoping to stage the seen. I wonder just how dead she really was! That is what Dale Claycomb new. How dead she really was and that is why he died. He knew she had been dead longer than any hour!

I AM LIKE EVERYONE HERE ...... I CAN"T WAIT TO SEE THAT HANGING NOOSE IN THE COURT ROOM WAITING FOR HIM. I can't wait to see him strung up just like Robert and Dale. Maybe once he is in prison he will eventually be found dead like Melanie. Cyanotic and cool to the touch! Maybe his cell mates will say "Did you find out what my cell mate died of??????

You just made my day thank you!!! Great news.Wow I feel good about this. Hope they well I'll be nice you all know what we hope. Mrs Grice how are you feeling? I just cant imagine

A special prosecuter has been assigned. This case should be in front of the grand jury in the next few weeks. With all the evidence they have it will go to trial.

Great post! thank you. How can this county support this guy? Thats a crime too. Is there hope for a trial? Guess I missed it if there is.Hope there is!

There have been several questions regarding times and other information. According to Mark himself he was washing his car and lifting weights. They had an argument earlier. Melanie had called her grandmother and asked her if she could stay with her and bring her cat. She told her grandmother she was leaving. That night she died. Mark said he found her not breathing at 7:30pm, tried CPR, never called 911 for help, loaded her into their oldest car. Eventhough he had a brand new Mustang 5.0 and more importantly his state police car equiped with radio, sirens and emergency lights. He drove directly passed an ambulance service, and Bosque Farms police department. Yet, never contacted anyone for help. Not the State Police, ambulance service or Bosque Farms Police. If he had taken his police car he would have been in constant contact with emergency help. What was his reason? He didn't want to get in trouble for using his car off duty. (That is from Mark's own statement} If your wife was dying would you care? Mark loaded her into their oldest car, locked the doors, and locked the gates. The actual wreck happened at 8:33pm. What took him so long? It would have only taken 5 minutes driving the speed limit to get to the location where he wrecked his car. Was he waiting until the sun went down to load her into the car? The sun went down at 8:05pm that night. The roads were clear. He had probally driven that strecth of road a million times. Marc stated that he turned around to check Melanie {she was in the back seat}. He stated that when he looked back he drifted off the road, but the pictures of tire marks show no evasive reactions to avoid wrecking. This is also backed up by the accident report. Any normal person would have tried to stay on the road or break. You think a State Police officer trained in evasive manuvers would have. Not Mark, the tire marks show he didn't react at all. He didn't even break, he kept his foot on the gas. After the accident numerous people showed up. This included uniformed police oficers, witnesses, emergency personel, and of duty police oficers. A number of these people stated Mark was walking around at the scene, one of them his own friend and subordinate. If Mark was walking around the scene, why did the ambulance drivers have to get him out of the car? Did you get back in? People saw you. Even the life guard helicopter nurses know he was not really unconcious. When they told him they were going to stick tubes in every orifice of his body he woke up said "my name is Mark, did you find out how my wife died?" Is that why Dale died? The autopsy showed Melanie didn't die in the accident, so she had to have died at home. Why didn't the State Police ever go to the house. Oh wait I forgot they did, three of his friends did. What did they do there? We will never know. Did they get rid of evidence? (yes) Why didn't they find the numerous perscriptions that some would have if the were terminally ill with cancer? (she wasn't) Melanie was wearing light blue denim shorts, and had on shoes and socks if she went to lay down because she wasn't feeling well why would she keep her shoes and socks on? These are just a few of the facts, there are many, many more. So to the person who thinks he's innocent, wake up before your next. As someone who studies these types of cases I have something to say. This case should have been investigated, Mark should not be wearing a badge, his partners in crime should be charged with him, and Ms. Grice should not have had to wait this long for justice to be done. People have called her crazy, but Mark will be called a murder. Ms. Grice has every reason to be crazy, her daughter was killed and the crime was covered up. If Melanie had been my daughter I would have went to his door and blown him away. Now thats crazy!

I'm new to this board and i gotta say hes guilty guilty guilty

or maybe you all know the truth hits too close to you too?

Everyone of you who come on this website to defend his honor "KNOWS DAMN GOOD & WELL" how guilty he looks and not only do you all know how guilty he looks but you all know he did it! Your all covering his ass to cuz you don't want to be in the eye of his wicked path!

We all would love to "look over" the 2nd autopsy report... bring it on!

We all know he met well when he tossed his dead wife in the back seat of her car and drove her out into a remote area trying to get her help! Wrecks the car and no one..."NO ONE" .... mind you can figure out why we think like we do!

Everyone of these people "Singing" for Mark right now ..... they obviously know they had better not turn their back on him at this point!!!

They might not wake up, just like all these others. I don't need a court of law to prove his guilt. I am absolutely convinced he has killed all three people. You know that old backwards saying ..."Guilty till proven innocent" ..... In this case I believe it!

STRANGE HELL!!!! That is down right weird and "SCARY" ...... Every bit of evidence that was in these EMT's possession surrounding this CASE is costing them their lives.

And if you are so ignorant you can't see that....man you have got to be the single most guilable fool I have ever seen ..... and if I was you I would continue to play the part of bing Mark's best buddy ....cuz I bet he wouldn't blink one eye to take you out either.

We are not over looking the other Autopsy report? "WE HAVE NEVER SEEN IT TO BELIEVE IT EVEN EXISTS!" It is just you claiming to be one and as you say "EVERYONE IS A LIAR BUT YOU!"

YEAHHHhhhh..... we know the record "He hasn't been charged with any Crimes. He hasn't been investigated either. Thats the whole point!!! The word "AGENDA" has a free association concept which appears to be that persons MO. this one always speaks about agends but their defence of Marc has no measure. Can't tell if they just like to hear themselves talk or if they have some real concrete evidence showing us Marc's innocence. We might not be able to prove at this point Marc is guilty ....but you can't prove to us he isn't guilty.

I see that SFPD has one up on charges of sexual miss conduct and guess what...he is on administrative leave. They show some integrity! The public will look more in favor of a department that see's it has a bad apple and does something to get rid of it....than a department that sets on their ass and trys to cover everything up. What is even worse is Officer McCracken had brought a "BLACK MARK" down on his department ....bigger than what the eye can see at this point. When this gets into court and the media starts to cover all the facts surrounding this case.....OHHHh Boy what a dirty slanderous mess this will be for the NMSP.

The sad part is this! Those of us who have had friends in the NMSP Department now shy away and keep to ourselves. I have friends I no longer want to visit or talk with because I feel an uneasiness and uncomfortable feeling about their lack of integrity. This spreads a dirty aura all over them.....and even the ones you think you know and trust are now looked upon with a different view. Guess I have a new name for the NMSP "Gypsy Cop" ..... those kind that make the laws up as they go. To hell with policy and procedure.

I haven't read where anyone is accusing Mark of killing the EMT's. It is just a little strange that witnesses are dying. Was that another Freudian slip? Is the guilt getting to you? The only person we know for a fact he killed is Melanie. Other victims may be discovered. You need to wake up from your fairy tale, kiss Mark goodbye, tell him you'll visit, because he is going to prison. When he has had enough hell on earth, then he will go to where he belongs the real HELL! Unless guilt overcomes him and he does us all a favor and kills himself.

To the ONE person saying Mark has never been charged of any crime, well finally you realize why we are here. That is the whole point of all our hard work. The State Police has covered up this homicide, and continue to do so. Today I looked into the rules and regulations for the state police. Their own rules state that anyone under investigation should be immediatly put on leave. Wouldn't the District Attorney in Valencia County publically announcing Mark was under investigation qualify Mark to be put on leave? Officers have been put on leave for a lot less. So why do they protect Mark? What are they afraid of, THE TRUTH? Will they have to make a new commercial? Instead of Dedicated, committed, tradition, pride and honor. Maybe they meant Dedicated to coverup, committed to committing crimes, tradition to lie, pride (they have none}, and honor the ciminals within. State Police officers are supposed to protect us from people like Mark, not harbor him from justice. The officers that know what happened and do nothing are obstructing justice and should be held responsible. I know all State Police officers are not bad, so they should stand up and fight for what we as taxpayers pay them to do...Arrest a murder!!!

hope he gets charges soon!! he needs to be. maybe then that scratching cat will be out of the bag

Once again: Will the person who keeps posting that the second autopsy report revealed THREE drugs in Melanie's system, please, tell us what they were? Most of us who visit this board don't have access to the autopsy report.

Is there some reason why the identity of those drugs is a secret?

Knowing that you have an agenda that doesn't comply with finding the truth, I don't expect you to agree with me.

I do not feel the need to tell you the facts of how everything happened. No matter what I was to say you would twist it and turn it into a half truth. You say that you know everything I.E. about what mail Mark received and exact timing to everything. So if you know everything what point is there to me telling you what happened. If you are part of the Grice inner circle then you should have seen the 2nd Autopsy and therefore know what is on it. So once again why should I post it here. I know Mark is innocent.

I keep repeating myself because you keep telling half of the story. If you believe what you are saying why do you have to tell just half of the story. Why do you have to make up things that are absolutely not true to support other things that are not true. I.E. Mark having anything to do with anyone (EMT's) dying. I do not know how or why the latest of the emt's died but certainly it is public record, why don't you go and find out. Did that persons family give you the authority to speak on the behalf. I don't hear them accussing Mark. So these are the reasons that I have to repeat myself. What is your reason for leaving out details in every story? Why must you make up untrue facts?

For the record....Mark has never been charged with any crime!

This is a question for the friends and co-conspiiritors of mcCracken.
Why did he put his so called beloved in a car and move her at all? Why not just call an ambulance, a fire man , anybody? Cops dont panic, freak out any of that, they are trained to deal with all sorts of stuffThey call back-up or a friend or mom!,and this accident he had " on the way" exactly what happened?and why? what kind of weather that day? Who did he call? What do the families of the hung peoples say about their deaths?
everyone keeps saying jury court etc. Did I miss something? Case get re-opened or something? I HOPE SO!

And those scratches on his face? Someone said he was scrated up by the cat with powder-puffed paws?

Another thing that is very interesting after studying the maps to this area, is the layout of the emergeny route that the officer took to save his wifes life. If you head back to the south you have Peralta NM ...must be where Living Cross EMS is located. Probably not more than a mile or mile and a half. But if you drive North heading in to Albuq you come out into an open remote area for quite some distance. Can anyone offer some calculations and distances between the crash site ...the home and the Living Cross EMS?????

"Dale Claycomb!!!!" Can anyone find out anything on him? The paper only states he was hung.....no indication to suicide!

Polographs don't hold up in a court of law and the reason they don't is because they are so easy to pass. Good "LIARS" as you say....can pass a polygraph. What is so interesting is, he had to be given several to just pass one!!!

Especially when you give someone 3 or 4 polographs to get him to pass one. That issue will be brought in court in front of the jury...."Not good" .... Not Good at all!!!!

Many Perpetrators think like a genius. Actually, if there had been an investigation we wouldn't be here now would we? The one who is bring out the polograph testing is speaking out on another Characteristic basis about the issues that directly connect this officer to the death of his wife. What this officer has going for him at this point is the NMSP covering his ass. But how long do you think this will continue when things get really hot and once this goes to a grand jury? That is exactly right ....they never came right out and directly hasked him in the polograph if he had anything to do with melanie's death? The "ULTIMATE" question. You may call everyone in here what you think, "Parrot, Clone" but you seem to be the one who is always repeating yourself. We see you have repeated yourself on that forged autopsy report again...... you can't muster up to post ....once again!

But the whole issue at this point is the truth! That is what everyone here is going to push to find out. I am sure you won't oppose us to pushing the issues here for the truth since you say that is what you are looking for as well....so are we! We say Melanie was killed....you say this officer didn't do it.....please give us some "Better" reasons not to take into consideration what you say when the OMI's have not opposed each others call on her type of death. Both out right asking this case be turned over to an outside department and being denied and both calling this death "Undetermined" meaning it needs futher investigation which never occurred. Everyone in here would have probably been satified with at least one investigation producing any kind of answers, right or wrong!....but they didn't even get that. We do not mind you coming here to argue your points, but just be prepared; don't expect any one to agree with you.

Don't give the person below credit for my (parrot, clone, and Psycho) Gloss. That person may not post here but I and the MANY others who know you are full of lies will continue to call you on it.

You may not like it.

I actually would like you to answer this question.

Why do you choose to over look the other drug on the autopsy?

Why when you post the story from the journal do you only post half the story and not the other half?

Why must you make up facts that are absolutely not true...I.E. (another woman)?

Do you think Mark is some kind of Genius...With his ability to beat lie detector tests (there is no almost failed) it is either pass or fail. Can he cover up a crime with not even one trace of evidence? Can he coordinate with 10-50 people to cover up every bit of evidence without even one person talking?

With ability like that I think that Mark McCracken should be running this country. A regular state police officer who can do all this without any training to do so, well he gets my vote.

Me and my friends will continue to point out your deceitfulness and we could careless if you like it or not.

You are right on one thing though. The truth will come out, because all that is out right now is the lies that your side tells. Mark is innocent and at some point you will have to learn to cope with it.

PATRICK

The polygraph tests- Three nationally respected polygraphers have called into question the whole basis for the polygraph. Mark McCracken nearly failed the test when administered within recognized polygraph guidelines. Yet in order to get him to pass the test, the polygrapher had to dictate the questions, a process typically used only for victims of violent crime. I guess this was appropriate since his co-workers called Melanie "Fatal Attraction" so he must have been a victim too. After all he had to put up with her and only stayed with her so she could have medical insurance for the illnesses she didn't have. Tough argument to sell to a jury though, he loved her so; yet, she was the psycho wench from hell. McCracken told NMSP exactly how Melanie died when he said "something cut off her wind". They just forget to ask him who it was that cut off her wind. That interview took place before any OMI report had been issued. Perhaps he has an MD and can recognize asphyxia just by an emt's description in a report that hadn't been created yet? He did receive a card from another woman, and Melanie was pissed off about it. That is documented by multiple NMSP personnel not some lackey parrot( ie Dateline, Channel 13, Channel 4, PI) for Nancy Grice. Those with NMSP who want to salvage the department's reputation should take a long hard look at what is going on in San Francisco. Cops prosecuted for covering for off duty cops who beat people. I think we can all agree that covering for a homicide is a whole lot worse...

These families come in here wanting answers ....and you come in here trying to cover up answers. Melanies Death will be avenged sayth the LORD, and Stephanie Houstons will too!

The "Fifth" commandment ... Thou Shalt Not Kill!
Death Investigation constitutes a heavy responcibility, and as such, let no person deter you from the truth and your own personal commitment to see that Justice is done not only for the DECEASED, but for the surviving family as well.

And Remember...I am working for GOD!

"Protect and Serve" is a police officers OATH. Criminal Profiling is a way to focus it's efforts in a particular area. Described as a collection of leads. Thats what we have ... a collection of leads. It uses the behavioral characteristics of the offender as its basis.

AND I HAVE SENT HERE TO TAKE HIM OFF THE STREETS!!!!!

EXACTLY ...... DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!

This is a Criminal Profile.... I am a profiler!!!!

To the person who will no longer participate in this website I will miss you. I will miss you because I love the panic and desperation in your comments. What the truth hurts? Do our postings make you think too much? Do you wonder if what we are saying is true? You must or it wouldn't be that painful for you to read. We are like the little voice in the back of your mind that makes you doubt Mark, every once in awhile. You may be able to block that voice out, but you can't block us out. The truth is going to destroy you and your fairy tale. Mark will learn that wearing a badge dosen't mean he is above the law.
When he trades his badge in for a orange jumsuit, he will learn what the law and justice mean. It's about time someone reminds the officers who commit these crimes, and their friends who help cover it up that they swore to uphold the law not participate in tearing it down.

That's like saying "She was stumbling down drunk and she deserved to die!" .... THAT IS MESSED UP !!!!

Then to think ....anyone would make a statement in their "RIGHT" mind...that is was Stephanies fault she was killed.....

It's every woman's fault they are killed ....in an abusers mind...

Just like the Stephanie Houstion murder.....see how close that paralles the McCracken case! ...What sticks out like sore thumb is the fact that after the murder was never investigated alllll this information about the abuse that girl suffered began to surface....

Well...NOW we couldn't have that...so a plan was put in motion....the evidenc showing the abuse going on in the McCracken home had to be dealt with....that could not surface and ruin that precious career....so something had to be done....that is when the plot was put into play to rid the world of evidence and witnesses ...and so the families of Robert Mireles and Dale Claycomb are now the victims of violent .....VIOLENCE......get it...know that that word means??????

YES.....Dead people do talk!!!!!

And if the shoe was on the other foot....and you were looking for the one responcible for your childs death....OHHHHHHhhhhhh you would be the squeakest wheel on the block ...

Amen!!!!! ....Everyone of the deaths in here and all over the world have life lines leading their families to the truth. I have never met any of the families on here. I do not know Nancy Grice nor do I know the McCrackens ...but when the spirit intentionaly puts me in a path to work ....I work it and if you think that for one minute that the Spirit did not place me there ....then you are very wrong. Not only do I work it ...I work it from the Spirits view...and we have a cold blooded murderer loose....running the streets destroying lives and evidence because he went one step to far in his eager discusting need to RULE the world and everything that comes in contact with it.

This is not a message board to tippy toe around your feelings.....this is a message boad for ppl who really want to end their agony and frustration.....like I said before ...if your can't run with the big dogs....get back on the porch. If you don't like what is being said here you are welcome to leave!!!

In response to the post a couple down from here, where the person says, "You carry a child that took you 7 yrs to embroy...don't you think even after death there is still a life line?"

The answer to that is an unqualified "YES." I am the mother of a murdered child, and my child has appeared to me in dreams -- and twice, while I was awake -- with information about the murder which nobody knew and which was later verified by private investigators.

I suspect the majority of the mothers of the victims whose cases are posted on this web site have had similar experiences, although they may be reluctant to talk about them for fear of being shrugged off as loonies. They are far from loonies -- they are MOMS. That mother-child bond is established before the child comes into this world and it remains after the child leaves this world, particularly if the death is sudden and violent and there are unanswered questions.

Nancy Grice's instincts, as a mother, have been supported by external evidence. Melanie speaks through her mother.

cant say I for one will miss you.... ok then people now maybe we can get to the truth here!

You have never offered anything...NO EVEN THE AUTOPSY REPORT ...you claim you have seen, you have just called everyone a LIAR...PARROT... and the truth isn't in the autopsy report I am sorry to tell you....it is in the investigation that was never done.

Mothers....wives...whats the difference...you all have a small stint of hope that your beloved son or husband is innocent.....but what makes you any different than Melanies loved ones....they all have a small stint of hope that what the Spirit reveals to them about their daughters death is right....

You carry a child that took you 7 yrs to embroy...don't you think even after death there is still a life line.....

Get over it.....

But...you will continue to come here, you might not say anything ...but you will come here to look and push out of your mind in denial what you will never accept....

I expected you to get angry....Especially when we are getting closer to the truth. What appears to be far fetched to you happens to appear very much as close to the truth as we can get without an investigation..... It answers most of everyones questions....and nothing you have provided answered anything in his defense simply because you do not want to know the truth......

And lets say when it is all said and done and we get a conviction....guess what ...you will never believe it anyway because it don't fit your desires. You will always claim innocense....but that's nature .... we expect that from you.....

No Ma'am, that isn't true, but you insist on allowing someone to walk away with a crime that has destroyed lot of lives and your farmost concern at this point is your own. Your concerned about only you and your life. What satify's you....what you want....what keeps you happy. it's ok to destroy others lives as long as it is not yours. You are related though. You have the same mind set.....all you care about is yourself ...your life and how you can keep it from disenagrating.

Screw Melanies family and Melanie...screw Robert Mireles and his family.....screw Dale Claycomb and his family.....JUST YOU ...only you and your family are important now.

You people have lost your mind. Your story changes every day. Your grasping for straws. You have lost and you know it. As for your thought that you think that I am Mrs. McCracken- your are so far of track it is hilarious. Are you that ignorant to think that the only person out there who knows of Mark's innocence is his wife. I have decided that this message board has nothing to do with finding actual truths, but it is all about trying to destroy honest, beautiful, intelligent spirits. I will no longer have anything to do with this message board. I personally think you all are so miserable in your own lives that you have latched on to others who have been succussful and are happy.

Thanks Bloodhound, I like yours too.

See.....Melanies husband had to figure out a way to dispose of her body and make it look like an accident. So he decided to place her in her own personal vehicle and drive it to a remote location ..... wreck it and then still have time to get her body in the front seat and dispose of anything linking him there at the crash. Some trace elements of-course were not out of the ordinary because he was the husband. What he didn't plan on happening was, EM's showing up as quickly as they did. He was hoping to get her in position and then return home. Then he could claim the last time he saw her was when she had left the house angry. But when EMS showed up before he could stage the scene, he was caught and forced to "feign unconsciousness".

You know ...when Melanie died...she took away his soul.

If your husband didn't love Melanie, then why didn't he just let her go ..... why didn't he just let her gather her kitty up and take her things to go home. She was going home you know! She had called and made arragements to go home. Why didn't he just let her walk out that door, so he could be with you? If he had done that, then Melanie would still be alive today.

And Mrs. McCracken II, if you really truely deep down inside believed in your husbands story, Why do you come to this website and argue his innocence to everyone like you do? Did you honestly feel like once Melanie was gone you would be free to be with him and nothing else would matter? Did you think you were going to be free of Melanie this way? Your husband doesn't love you, he loves his career and that is what everyone is dieing for.....His career! What you do is you are a cover for him. He can't abuse you because he would be looked upon as guilty as charged. What he can't do to you...he takes out on the streets and does to innocent ppl like Stephanie Houston.

He allowed that man to kill Stephanie, and he turned and walked away from her, because now he has nothing to loose, but he in fact has everything to loose. Things are catching up to him you know. This very moment things are moving under the surface so fast because that is how the Spirit works! I feel soory for you in away, even when you say childish and immature stuff on here I realize what kind of a situation you are in and I hope things go the way you have them planned...but to be honest with you....I don't think it will end in this fairy-tale story you have in your fantacy world you live in!

You know....inspite of all the abuse he put her through. People just don't know what love really is, but I do believe that deep down inside he loved Melanie very deeply and still does. But if we were in his shoes and walked in the bedroom to saw that one of us had killed somebody we loved.....I think we would panic to and do strange things like he did.

I just have one question. Do you are your husband still share the bed Melanie died in?

If Officer McCrachen was all "SCRATCHED UP" by the cat....she must have been trying to save her own life!

OH...and "Freudian Slip" ..... The Bloodhound likes your style!

What it sounds to me like, you are in a position where we couldn't do anything for you if we wanted too!

Briefcase .... computer and wallet? Hmmmm.... all the things he needed for the interview the next morning and what he needed to produce in front of a Grand Jury!

We have a cold blooded killer on our hands who will do anything to save that carrer.....little puppy, you might ought to go ahead and set down in that corner and stay yourself quite for your own well-being!

Who was investigating the Robert Mireles and Dale Claycomb Death's??? Anyone know ????

I see we have a slow one in here folks! Everyone is into Erotic Asphyxiation and are hanging themselves......

Right out blatent pure 110% Observation ...."I wouldn't call them lies." I think that one isn't runniing with the big dogs and needs to take a seat in the corner on the porch cuz your not getting anywhere wineing like a whipped pup!

Heyyyyy....all three of them died of the most undetectable methods you could use in a homicide and to make a valid determination of cause of death You need a damn INVESTIGATION..... In the OMI world "Undetermined death" means "Needs more investigation!" To hang someone you need to render them unconscious ...that is exactly what happened to Mr. Mireles.

SCRATCHES!!! ....OHHHHHHHhhhhh boy.....that is very interesting toooo! Just as I thought ....the death was an accident! No one was spose to die, but the screaming continued and her muffled cries resulted in Asphyixal Suffocation, giving rise to homicide. As the fear of emotions began to take over and time was spent trying to figure out what to do; One reconstruction could have been to run the car off the raod and walk back home. Knowing it would take awhlie to get back, "locked up the house and the garage and gate!" I would like to know exactly how long it was from the time of the argument that supposedly sent Melanie into the room by herself to watch TV, to the time of the arrival of EMS on scene at the crash. There was a statement in the news paper that said Officer McCracken stated about an hour later he found her unconscious and tried to revive her with CPR. Then he had time to load her into the personal vehicle...and drive to the scene of the crash. Dale Claycomb said that upon arrival on scene he found Melanie Cynotic and cool to the touch. The body tempature drops 1.5 degrees per hr.and it takes 2-4 hours for rigor to begin which begins in the Jaw of the deceased. What I am wondering if Mr. Claycomb documented that in his deposition ?????

I believe Melanie was suffocated with the hand trying to muffle her cries ...which caused the Small pinpoit hemmorhages to form around her mouth and one her tongue, the signs of asphxia/suffocation.

Melanie wasn't allowed to see her family. She was cut off from all contact so questions would not be raised or things revealed about the home situation. I think she may have revealed some things that she might have remembered as a child and spoke freely about them in the home. I think they were minor things that we all have in our lives as Adults that we migh make mention in light of a conversation as to how we were raised or such. I believe they were taken out of context as the abuse began and were forced to be major issues as a form of Isolation. Melanie was an abused woman! This is part of the profile of Domestic Violence and it is the most psychological breakdown of the human identity that allows for the abuse to start and continue.

I think this....I think that the Leukiema was forced and the siezure was a coverup for the convulsions they go into during asyphxia, just prior to death! Melanie was forced into saying she had leuk, to explain the bruising she had all the time. I think she new if she didn't play out the senerio that she would pay for it later. So she did as she was told! Holding a conversation with her Father-in-law was an example of roll playing what she was instructed to do. There was no need to see Dr.'s or be concerned because the truth was bruising from abuse.

The obituaries said that Robert Mireless on August 30, 2000 and Dale Claycomb ..it don't give an exact date! ... but the paper said 2 weeks prior to the Exhuming of Melanies body...can any one verify that date for me ...I would love to know!

OHHHHHhhhhhh...... this website is EXCELLENT!!!!!! Just keep right on talking....I think we have something SHERLOCK's!

I think you are all wonderful.....I love you all...that is exactly what I was needing....EXCELLENT!!! Blessing to all of you???

What can you tell me about Dale Claycombs death??????

I was refering to the person who killed himself just recently when talking of the Erotic Aspyxiation.

Has anyone investigated the death of the EMT (Robert), Maybe he was going to tell the truth and clear Mark of any wrong doing and someone didn't like that.

The answer to your question Robert died of asphxiation, what a coincidence!!

The truth is that all the names on this website were once beatuiful sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, some possibly parents or would be parents. Whether you choose to believe any of it or not is your choice. Melanies case deserves to be heard in a court of law. The court room is where the truths you seek will be brought to light. This website is definalty working, it got your attention.

Wow, I haven't been here in a few days. I think you all have lost it!

You didn't answer my question. What did he die from? And what was the exact day he died?

The reason you haven't seen any real evidence is because this case hasn't been heard in a court of law, but you will soon.

They said Robert commited suicide. A few facts: Robert was meeting with dateline the next day. He had the records of 911 responses they made to the McCracken house. Briefcase, computer, wallet were missing and never found. Robert was lifting weights in garage. He and his wife were adopting a child. There was a gash in back of head. No foot prints on car that he would of had to stand on to hang himself. There were rope marks on wood beam, as if someone had lifted him up. Just a little question to the person who last posted. Who said Mark did it? I didn't. Was that a Freudian slip?

I am starting to question if anything to do with this website is honest and truthful. You all do a lot of yelling and screaming but I have yet to read anything that makes any sense or seen any real evidence that Melanie McCracken was murdered. She was obviously very loved by a lot of people, but I keep wondering one thing. Did Ms. Grice ever get along with her son in law?

I have never heard anything about the EMT being hit over the head. The news said he was hung. And the news likes to make Mark McCracken look as guilty as possible, so why wouldn't they have reported that.

To the posting below:

What did the EMT die from?

He who laughs last laughs the loudest, and that is what I will be doing when what you call my lies are proven true. You are the one in a panic that the truth is coming out. I almost feel sorry for you. I said almost. You can keep denying the truth, but it will never go away. Reality will slap you in the face, or maybe just cover your nose and mouth. The EMT (Robert) did not die of erotic asphyxiation. Erotic asphyxiation is not being hit over the back of the head and then hung. Panic is not what I am doing, I'm just sitting back waiting for Mark to be led off in handcuffs.

Maybe the people who committed suicide couldn't live with their lies. Maybe the pressure of sustaining those lies got to them. The EMT who hung himself died from erotic ashyxiation.

Funny how when you have the other half of the story that it all becomes clear.

What is clear to me is that you are in a panic. You are having to make things up to justify your story. The lies are getting bigger and bigger, while your story gets thinner and thinner. Your lies are pathetic, and I laugh at how desperate you are getting.

Were not angry, were getting JUSTICE. The truth will not set Mark free.

In one of the postings below, someone wrote that Mark did not cheat on Melanie. I have one question, then why did Mark's new wife recieve mail at their house before Melanie died? That's a mystery!!
I am not the only one who knows this. (Something to ponder: be careful who you treaten, because people talk, you'd be amazed at what I know)

You all are getting very angry that there seems to be two sides to this story. Ms. Grice's and then there is the truth.

There is only one autopsy report, and there is only one drug. I am trying to get a copy to post. The person that keeps insisting there were two drugs will not post the autopsy because there is no truth to it. They also keep telling everyone to SHUT UP because they can't handle the truth. They only wish that we would stop telling the truth in hopes the truth will go away. One of the posts asked about doctors reports of her abuse. That is a very good question. The ambulance reports that documented 911 calls to her house were to be turned over to Dateline, but the night before Robert Mirelas was to meet with dateline he died. How convienient he commited "suicide" the night before. The documents, his briefcase, wallet and computer disappered. Then there were the 911 tapes of Melanies phone calls, those were amazingly destroyed by Juan Julian the sheriff in Valencia County, and good friend of Mark McCraken. By law those tapes were to be kept for 99 years. There were also a number of rolls of film that disappered. If this was an accident, why was so much evidence misplaced? There are several other questions, if Mark was such a loving husband whose wife was dying, why didn't he ever ask her doctor what could be done if anything to save or prolong her life? Yet he never did he supposedly just sat outside the doctors office while his wife faced her "ilness" alone. If she was so ill wouldn't there be records of her numerous perscriptions and cancer treatments with her medical insurance company? Another thing that people wonder about are the scratches that were on Mark's face and hands. In the state police "inquiry" he stated the scratches on his hands were from the trees during the accident, yet the windows on the car were not broken. How did his hands get outside the car? He also explained that the scratches on his face were from Melanies cat. A cat that had been declawed. Where did these scratches REALLY come from? Maybe someone who was trying to get her WIND back. One last thing to the "bloodhound" I can't wait for you to strike!!!

Which brings me to another interest of mine that I just can't seem to get away from, called 'Victimology'. Besides the fact that it catches my "Eye!" Why would a 34 year old man, with a brand new wife of 3 yrs, 3 small children, a computer wizzzz, a devout practicing Catholic,a mulit-talented individual, Supervisor of an EM Services and a certified Parametic committ suicide????????????

I can't understand either why a 50 yr old man with 5 children the youngest being a 6yr old daughter " The Apple Of His EYE and her hero, whom he spent time with riding horses; Director of Sandia Lab EMS, Flight Parametic @ University Hospital committ suicide??????

Which brings my attention to the 'Stephanie Houston Case!'

Seee....I believe there are 2 reports. One which is indicating "Suicide"....causing the case to be closed with no need for further investigation. I believe there is in fact another report, indicating there is reason to have had a full blown criminal investigation due to the fact there was nothing indicating sucide. But on the contrary was indicating there is and was a possibilty of "FOUL PLAY"!

At this point I am convinced that we have 2 autopsy reports. One report which is in the possession of one side of the family that has Small traces of Ibuprophen only.....Another one existing on the other side of the family that has a autopsy report which indicated there are 2 other drugs on a report.....SO THERE MUST BE TWO AUTOPSY REPORTS with different information on one of them!!!!!

The individual whom indicates throughout the messages claims that Mrs. McCracken killed herself. They also indicate that "She herself says she could do it with no trace of how to attempt it. They say she was visiting several DR. for cancer. They claim she enguaged in a conversation with her father-in-law about chemotherapy. They also claim to know that she was never abused and that she was a metal case caused by her childhood. They indicate they know officer McCracken on a personal level.....

They use Clone, Parrot, and Liar frequently......

Why don't you step forward with this autopsy Report that contains 2 other drugs?????

The message board is full of comments about the autopsy report they have seen with 2 drugs. They also claim that Nancy Grice is hiding the truth. Some have indicated they have saw the autopsy report that indicates there is only small traces of Ibuphophen, yet another individual claims to have one that exists which have 2 other unknown and un-named drugs. I can not see how it would be Nancy Grice panicing and hiding when she has only the report showing Ibuprophan, yet someone else says they have seen one with 2 other drugs present. I think what we have here is 2 reports. One which is the original report in Nancy Grices possession and one whom someone else has that indicates more than that..... Could this be an altered report???? You would have to have an altered report to go along with a COVERUP! A report altered which would be reason enough to not have a need to do an criminal investigation....hence, a satisfaction of death by suicide.

I feel the one whom is claiming to know of these other 2 drugs should step forward!

Maybe it is the other way around.....maybe the second autopsy report isn't in Nancy Grice's possession????? To bad we can't get a copy of the alter'd report and the original!

Response:THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. IF EACH PERSON WHO HAS A COPY OF THE REPORT WILL SEND IT TO US AS AN E-MAIL ATTACHMENT, WE WILL POST THEM ALL SO PEOPLE CAN COMPARE THEM.

Maybe it is the other way around.....maybe the second autopsy report isn't in Nancy Grice's possession????? To bad we can't get a copy of the alter'd report and the original!

FROM THE WEBMASTER:

IF ONE OF THE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO PROFESS TO HAVE ACCESS TO MELANIE MCCRACKEN'S SECOND AUTOPSY REPORT WILL SCAN IT AND SEND IT TO US AS AN E-MAIL ATTACHMENT, WE WILL POST IT ON THIS WEB SITE.

IF WE RECEIVE TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE AUTOPSY REPORT, WE WILL POST BOTH VERSIONS.

The person who keeps insisting that there were two drugs other than Ibuprophen in Melanie s body STILL refuses to identify those drugs by name.

This should be such a simple question for somebody who has seen the autopsy report.

I sense a bit of panic. Things are being questioned, maybe everything that Nancy Grice has "told" everyone is not true.

CCOVERUP 101 .... Always have an altered copy of the autopsy report.

What this means, "Aspyhxial Suffocation" can be undetermined in an autopsy unless you back it up with a full blown criminal investigation. Dr. Zumwalt stated, "the answers to this case is not in the autopsy. The answers are in the investigation by Law enforcement authorities.

You are correct Ma'am! Things do not add up. The only thing they found during the autopsy of Mrs. McCracken was small amounts of Ibuprophen and pinpoint hemorrhages called "petechiae" around her mouth/gums and palate. The signature of "Aspyhaxial Suffocation".

The Body as a crime scene. Ligature Strangulation, states that there may be no mark or only a faint mark if a smooth ligature is removed shortly after application. Wonder if you can do this and then hang your victims too! ....... I guess if you hung them from lets say a beam in the garage there wouldn't be any trace of markings other than the ligature that is found around their neck...hence appearing like a suicide hanging.

Person already dead
Feigned suicide

Body as a Crime Scene: Plastic bag asphyxiation/suffocation states there are few signs other than condensation even if the bag is present. "Usually a pale uncongested face with no asphyxial signs.

Body As A Crime Scene: Smothering states there is no usual classic signs of asphyia.

Body As A Crime Scene: Aspyhxial signs states there is a paleness around the mouth and very tiny small "pinpoint" hemorrhages called Petechiae, are found around the mouth/on the Gums/ and on the palate.

This is all getting very confusing you all. Can someone tell me or us the true facts here and maybe some reports from hospitals and drs.... about the abuse, the 3 drugs what are they??? How many times in hospital for abuse? Why would a cop husband not be more I dont know likely to just leave her body in their home if he had nothing to do with it? Why put her in a car and fake a wreck? Has he been drug tested? It makes no sense. How about the drs that supposedly were treating her for cancer? Any reports or statements? Is this guy still a cop? Guilty or not it dont add up.It sure isnt an act of a loving concerned hubby. And what 4 other deaths suicides supposedly that might have had input into this case? Wow you all something wrong here you think?

Journal Investigative Reporter, Colleen Heild states in her interview with Dr. Zumwalt, there was no evidence that the 25 yr old woman died of disease. Nor did the autopsy find any injuries. Special scrutiny of the woman's neck showed no evidence of injury. Nor did the autopsy find physical signs that pressure had been applied to her carotid arteries. The findings of the Dec. 11th Autopsy dose not rule out "Foul Play". Dr. Zumwalt also states the answer to this case is not in the autopsy, It is in the investigation (By law enforcement authorities).

The State police initally assumed her death was accident-related, then focused on reports that she had leukemia and was dying. The autopsy, however, showed she was cancer free and was in good health. With the cause of death undertermined, State police closed the investigation. The initial autopsy in 1995 concluded that the manner and cause of Melanie McCracken's death were "Undertermined" but that a violent, unnatural death couldn't be ruled out. In a deposition in 1999, Zumwalt said it was possible "there was as assault with either a neck compression or some other sort of assault. Zumwalt said at the time, I think I would put some sort of violent assault at the top of my list." Zumwalt also stated that he certainly stood by the previous opinion and the statements he made in his previous deposition. Zumwalt also said he hasn't been informed that other pathologist's opinions conflict with his.

Yes....It blows me away too. If I was in your shoes, it would be eating me alive as well...just like it is you!

If I was facing a murder wrap.....I would try to be nice to my next one too! You know what they say; "If you can't run with the big dogs....then stay on the pourch!"

Oh by the way.... Ms. SHUTUP, since you have seen the autopsy report ..would you be so kind to name those 2 other drugs found in Melanies system that caused her to suffocate on!

I think we would all like to know. You keep stating the "FACTS" and so many have asked politely what you know and you keep evading the issue you bring up!

OHHHhhh.... I know there are other families suffering from the same crimes on this website. I do apologize if I seem a little preoccupied. It is not intentional, but I was led to this one. That is why I am here. If it wasn't for that....I would be out gally vanting around, probably working on somthing else.

"Shut UP" .... thats funny! Dr. John Smialek, report was Homicidal suffocation,(Investigative Journalists Colleen Heild ). Then we have Dr. Zumwalt report was Violent Assault, ( Investigative reported Colleen Heild). She must have interviewed both. OMI suggested that an outside law enforcement take the case. Dr. Zumwalt also requested the state turn over the investigation to an outside LED. Both requests were denied. The case was mishandled. Carelessness ...... or neglegence what ever all of you would like to call it. Lets see another interesting thing that I just can't seem to pull my self away from is how mysteriously those paramedics who were crucial to this case just up and hung themselves. NOW THAT ONE REALLY HAS PEAKED MY INTEREST!!!! Your correct. I may not know everything just yet....but I know a few things no others don't know yet. Keepin it to myself till the right time. I'm just like a good ole sound blood hound. I am slow and meticulious and I never wear down. That child is an only child right now. Just like all these other 'only' children on this sight. Know why they are called "Only's" because they are the only ones dead on here. Beloved, because they have taken all their families on a mission.

There are other cases on this web site, besides the ones already mentioned, where cops are trying to pass homicides off as suicides. And the victims aren't all women either. The John Sherman case is a good example. And how about John Petrazzuoli, where he supposedly shot himself in the leg and then set his car on fire and burned himself to death? A great way to commit suicide if you want to die in agony.

The Gregg Meissner death was revealed to be a murder. Maybe those other cases will be too.

Here is a request: Unless you personally know Mark McCracken or Ms. Grice and any facts to this case~ SHUTUP. I am blown away every time I read someone mouthing off about what they have heard or read on this website. Wow, whoever made the comment about Ms. Grice's only beloved child is a complete idiot. Because guess what, Melanie wasn't an only child. Again I HAVE SEEN the autopsy report and no where on it does it say anything about asphyxiation and there were other drugs found in her body that Nancy Grice doesn't want all of you to know about because then that hurts her integrity.

To all of you that have been sucked into believing she was abused. Let me ask you this: With any abuser or abusee there are patterns. You say that everyone turned their back on Melanie when she tried to cry out for help. Well, if Mark was an abuser he would still be an abuser (and he is not and never has been). Also, if she cried out for help where was her mother and father. Why didn't they help her? No one on the McCracken side saw anything more than a woman who told everyone that she was dying and everyone believed her. Why would anyone question that,when she had actual conversations with Mark's father (who died of cancer) about going through chemo therapy.

My mother use to always tell me....what you do in the "Dark" will always come to "Light" ....this case will to!!! I believe Ms. Grice is going to eventually be able to lay her child's soul to rest in peace.

This goes to show you the mindset of an abused woman. Why they don't reach out....why they isolate themselves from there mothers, and isolate themselves from those who would see and know. Because as you can see, they have no hope....they have lost all faith, hope, endurance. They can't even get help after their dead!. The strongest most independent woman can be slowly beat down and eventually deleted when she is up against an abusive relationship. It has nothing to do with weakness ..... or psychological problems. It has to do with the slow dwindling and wearing down of a person, who is going through daily psychological, emotional, spiritual torment by the mate they truely ,,,deeply love ...... sometimes they wake up. Other times they don't. So yes...some are driven to kill themselves. But this one didn't suffocate herself. The physical wounds will heal .... the bruises ...the broken ribs, the black eyes, .... if it don't kill them first. What won't heal is alll the that destroyed spirit, all the things that are said to them, and the things they are told....all the weapons used to eventually steel their breath and soul.

Ohhh Yes I am sure there are lots of women who wanted to leave their husbands just up and killed them selves...no doubt...

But this wasn't one of them!

Mrs. McCracken "Killed Herself!" "She could kill herself and No One would know How! ..... These are typical allegations made by the abuser and those who turned away from a woman who was crying out for help! Anything pertaining to the truth revealed by the victim, reaching out for help! ....What actually is being revealed here is a woman who reached out on several occassions to someone without revealing what was actually going on in the home, and people actually turned their heads and walked away from her. Eveything on this message board indicates that she indicated there was abuse ...... I even read a comment that Melanie was abused by her mother and that is the root of all her problems. Man let me say this.....everyone of you on here who knew her, turned the head ....walked away ...... and all this crap about this drug and that drug ...when the only drug mentioned was Ibuprofen ..... Toxology reports and this and that....

I feel as pitty for those of you who turned your heads .... As I feel as deeply and equally sorry for Ms. Grice, for the loss of her only beloved child. I feel pitty for everyone of thses cases on here where someone was delivered messages from all the victims and they turned their head. This one will go to a Grand Jury!!!

This is the typical Victimizational behavioral pattern between the abuser, ppl who knew and turned away and the Victim...." OH...she's crazy, she wants to kill herself, she's a liar, she needed attention....MG ppl.....

There are several cases on this web site where a woman who is getting ready to leave an abusive mate suddenly "commits suicide." Ronda Reynolds. Natalie Wagner. Valarie Fiorenza. In those last two cases the abusive mates were police officers.

Clone? Parrot? ..... This is a person in total denial of what is very obvious; as plain as the look on their face. But that is OK. There is nothing wrong with denial and loosing control right? I mean everyone time a bit of the truth is revealed, it is attracked as being a Lie. Of-course there are tons of lieing occurring at this very moment. When more information begins to flow ....OHHHhh and it will. When the right stuff begins to surface.....OHHHHhhh and it will; there will no longer be a need for denial. Every murder is full of lies.....every coverup is full of lies....

Awwwww......I can see it is going to be one of those days!

Or a very very desparate person! Nothing to loose, or all of it to loose...hell...whats to loose. hahaha!

OH Please!!! Spare me from your Facts that hold up in a court of law....I don't need it, but you do! All Ms. Grice needs is the right information! She just needs a little bit of direction. Thats is what she is waiting for. The M O is asphyxia. Killers tool...what he uses to committ his crimes with. Untracable, hard to detect. I like the Hanging stuff myself. How they were asphyxiated first before they were strung up......Perrrrrfect. Very smart and intellegent as well. Only bad thing is this....starting to look and appear like a serial killer.

Response to two posts down:

From Clone, to Parrot, now to psycho. Twist the story all you want, but the facts are out there, and you don't have any of them. It is becoming hilarious how you think anyone believes your LIES.

You tell me where on the autopsy report it says that Melanie McCracken died of asphyxia.

WOW.....what an excellent true crime story. This is a clear domestic violence case that resulted in death. Domestic Violence is a sure end to a law enforcement career. Everything to loose actually. What I find is so interesting is that we have a woman who is dead from Asphyxia. A dead pathologists, (still like to know if he died of asphyxia also) who stuck with his opinon that Mrs. McCracken died of some form of violent suffocation. A dead Paramedic who was the (Robert) former head of the Ambulance service that handled the McCracken crash, asphyxiatedly hung himself. How about that other parametic who was so distraught over "why this woman was so dead, at the arrival of the McCracken crash.....he also asphyxiatedly hung himself too. "Is'nt asphyiation a creative killers tool!" I mean look at every one who has died from it and they all must have committed suicide right!!!! They all had some kind of emotional hang-ups and just wanted to end it all or they were all victims of Domestic violence. You can now days kill who ever you want by Asphyiation and call it undetermined death or suicide! Walk away absolutly free. Hey everyone ..... "WAKE UP!!!!!"

You are right I have an agenda......What is that agenda you ask......it is to uphold the constitution. Innocent until proven guilty. I don't know if you know this but you need actual proof to try someone for murder. Not just lies. How many autopsies are going to need to be done before you believe the Innocence of Mark. That is what I am asking. Ms. Grice has gotten everything she has wanted. Two Lie detector tests, 3 Investigation (Her own private Investigator, the states investigator and Dateline {what a joke}), two autopsies. All this has turned up nothing, except Marks innocence. The "Queen Clone and her clonies" want a trial, but based on what evidence? Your Lies? Sorry it doesn't work that way.

For the previous poster-- it seems that you have an agenda yourself, just as you are saying about other posters.

Once again the CLONES acting like PARROTS (aaaawwwkkkk) chime in with the same LIES.

LIE # 1. Not all people pee their pants when the die

LIE # 2. Not just Ibuprofen found in her system. There were two other drugs. If you had actually seen the autopsy you would know.

LIE # 3. You have seen the autopsy report. If you had actually seen it then you wouldn't be misquoting it. If you have seen it and are misquoting it then you are just a "Parrot, Clone, LIAR".

LIE # 4. Nancy Grice has never posted to this web-site.

LIE # 5. Melanie was abused. Not ever was she abused.

LIE # 6. Mark had another girlfriend. This is a Blatant lie.


I could probably go on all day with all of the "Clones" lies. I must ask again, What is your agenda?

I am actually happy that you "Parrots" are coming on here and telling these lies, because then I get to come on point out the Lie and the people that come on that have not formed an opinion yet can see you for the Crazies that you are.

Keep spreading the lies, keep sound off like "Parrots", and keep digging the hole that you are in deeper and deeper. The people now know the truth and see you for the Liars that you are.

Mark McCracken is Innocent!

If that last question is meant for me -- (I'm the person who posted the question about what the three drugs were) -- no, I haven't seen the autopsy report. If I'd seen it, I wouldn't have had to ask that question. I'm amazed at all the people who say they've read the new autopsy report. How did you all get copies of it? If it's available to the public, why can't it be posted on this web site?

Are you not the one who had "SEEN THE AUTOPSY"?

What were the three drugs? Even if the amounts weren't given, the drugs must have been identified by name.

I too have seen the autopsy report and toxicology report. There were THREE drugs in her system. Specific levels were not given, but it would be interesting to find those out. If she was so upset about finding a card given by ANOTHER women, why did she wait a week to leave him, since he was working during the day, she could have packed up and been gone by the time he got home. This peeing in the pants thing is pretty bizarre. I have had several relatives die where I was by there side and they did not pee or poop their pants.

I have seen the REAL autopsy report. Minor amounts of Ibuprofen does not make for suicide. Besides, how could you say it was suicide if Melanie supposedly knew how to kill herself in a way that was undetectable? Yet, you claim there were two drugs that she took? It is just pure fabrication and wishful thinking to say it was anything other than homicide. No pill fragments were found in her stomach and no empty pill containers were found in the house. The toxicology tests tested everything found in the house, they actually did a total of three separate tox tests.

Besides, Melanie's bladder was empty, but her underpants and shorts were clean and dry. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT YOUR BLADDER EMPTIES ON DEATH. I suppose, that after she killed herself, she changed her clothes. Besides, she's found in bed, but the bed is dry.She must of changed the sheets as well. Pretty good housekeeping for someone who was already dead.

Melanie found a card to McCracken from another woman a week before her death. She was extremely angry about it, and that spurred her decision to leave him. Timing is everything, he's gone that whole week before her death, yet the day after he comes home, she's dead. Nice window since she was due at her grandmother's the very next day. Even NMSP confirmed that.Imagine that there was only one day that McCracken was home and she dies...

To the people who posted about two drugs other than IVY P that were allegedly found in Melanie's body:

As an interested bystander, who has never met either the Grices or McCrackens, I'd like to know what those two drugs were and how much was found in her body. Was this something that might have caused Melanie's death or did she just take an asprin?

Please, those of you who have access to the autopsy reports, and it appears that several of you do, scan those reports and send them as e-mail attachments to the Real Crimes web site so they can be posted. Then this won't be hear-say, we'll all get to see what you're talking about.

Response to the posting below:

Maybe "you" should know your facts before you speak. There were two other drugs found in Melanie's body. Have you actually physically seen the autopsy report. I doubt it. I have seen it and know that ibuprophen was not the only thing found. And there is no reason for this to be heard by a court of law because the person responsible for Melanie's death is dead. MELANIE KILLED HERSELF! Again, Melanie told people that she could kill herself and NO ONE would know how!

Lies and half truths, you must be talking about Mark. The other drugs you talk about were not there. The only agenda the as you call us "clones" have is to have this case heard in a court of law, where it should have been a long time ago. You fail to mention her busted lip and other bruises that were on her body. Your little scenario you give is missing a few things. Let me give you one.

I was married to a police oficer that abused me. I was to afraid to tell anyone because he was a policeman and afraid nothing would ever be done. One night I was killed and it was made to look like an acident. Several of his friends were in charge, and an investigation was never done. They never checked the bedroom were I was found dead and crucile evidence was lost. If only they weren't so blind by his exterior maybe my death wouldn't have been for nothing. To bad I couldn't have told you my side, but people who die can still talk.

So what were the other two drugs that ARE also listed on the Autopsy report that nobody talks about?

What about the lack of ANY hemorhage in the eyes or behind the ears on the Autopsy.

What about the lack of any proof what so ever.

What about the Lies and half truths that you and the rest of the CLONES tell. I.E. "only ibuprofen listed in the autopsy", but amazingly you don't mention the other two drugs listed. Hmmmmmmmm.........Who has an agenda here.......What is your agenda???????? Spread lies and half truths to get you where????????? Publicity? Notarity? Did you get busted by the police for illegal activity and now you want pay backs? What is your excuse for spread lies and half truths? Why don't you tell the whole story when you speak? Maybe you don't know the whole story?

Let me give you an example......If I told you that "John Doe" killed my son in a car accident and was never prosecuted, you might think that is horrible. But if I tell you the whole story........My son was drunk and driving on the wrong side of the road when "John Doe" was hit by him........Well then that changes the whole story doesnt it.

So when you pick and choose the parts of the story you want to put out then you are basically a liar. What is your agenda?

I just read the second autopsy report, and there's no evidence presented that Melanie was heavily medicated-- a small amount of ibuprofen was found in her system.

Tue Mar 4 09:09:13 PST 2003

Response to below comments:

You are a typical clone. You believe everything you read and see on television station that sensationalize everything. Melanie was not abused, the bruises you refer to are made up. I saw Melanie regularly and never ANY signs of abuse. Melanie was heavily medicated, by her own choice. She was also well educated on prescription medications. She knew what she could take to give her symptoms of the sickness she was faking.

So what you are asking me and the rest of the community to believe is that it is not possible for a person who has this type of mental illness and this kind of knowledge to have done something to herself to cause death.

Did you know that with asphyxia there would be evidence. Such as hemorhage in the eyes. busted blood vessels behinds the ears. This type of evidence you can not hide. Did the Autopsy show this? No it did not. You said that the evidence will show Murder. You are WRONG! The evidence all ready shows Marks innocence.

Even if Melanie "faked" being sick she didn't deserve to die. The issue is not whether Melanie had mental problems or anything about her childhood. The issue is she died. She died as evidence will show from homicide. If you know so much about her mental condition and childhood then you should have realized the bruises were not from a fatal illness but from being battered. As someone who sounds like they knew her why didn't you help her? It is pretty sad that you can critize someone who has died. I hope that you don't or never have to go through what her mother has. She has fought for her daughter above and beyond what someone like you could comprehend.


In response to me knowing everything, well you might be suprised. You never know who is watching when your doing something you don't want people to see.

Melanie made up sickness to get sympathy from others. When she was young her mother forced her into riding horses and was very strict with her. At a very young age Melanie learned that if she was sick then she did have to have the pressure that her mother was putting on her. Mark did not abuse Melanie. Melanie was sick but not in a physical way. She had some mental problems that stemmed from her childhood.

In response to the person who THINKS that they know everything. How would you know that the gate was locked and so was the house. Maybe you were there?

Melanie McCracken and Stephanie Houston, battered women syndrome:

To add to the comment in the post below that said, "If you look at the patterns of women who are abused, many of them will say anything to explain bruises to friends and family."

Those of us who are blessed enough not to have loved ones exposed to such abuse can't begin to imagine how such a thing could happen and be covered up by the victims themselves. But it does and it is.

Please, read the Stephanie Houston case on this Real Crimes web site. (That's the case where Mark McCracken was the scene investigaor.) Stephanie's dad gives a heartbreaking description of how the Battered Women Syndroym works:

"Stephanie's mother and I had never suspected how dangerous our daughter's relationship with Patrick had become. Medical records chronicled a series of concussions, and one woman told our P.I. that she took Stephanie to the hospital five times because of beatings from Patrick. One time he put a phone cord around her neck and tried to strangle her, and twice he dumped her out of his truck in the middle of nowhere and she had to walk long distances at night to get home. Like most battered women, Stephanie had hidden her horrendous private life from the people who loved her. But she had confided in her minister. The Reverend A.C. Miller told us that, three weeks before Stephanie's death, Patrick gave her a black eye and a concussion by hitting her in the head with his guitar, and that shortly before that he fractured her leg. (Stephanie had explained the leg injury to us by saying she fell off a ladder.) We also learned that Stephanie wasn't Patrick's only victim. His former girlfriend described to our P.I. how Patrick pushed her out of a moving vehicle when she was seven months pregnant with twins, causing her to miscarry, because she refused to perform oral sex while he was driving."

Abused women who are in love with their abusive mates will often cover up for them because they think that if they do that their mate will love them for their loyalty and stop abusing them. Yes, that's sick. But not as sick as murder.

Reading all the postings on this web site has amazed me exspecially the one in regards to Melanie McCracken. The only thing Ms. Grice is fighting for is to have this case heard in a court of law, as would have been done if Melanies husband wasn't a Police officer. There is a lot of evidence that will be revealed when this case is brought into the public eye. The results of the autopsy done by the forensic expert from Michigan ruled "homicide by exclusion." and in Mark's own statement he was the only one at the house whebn she died. In Zumwalt's report he would not rule out a violent unnatural death, and ruled undetermined. The main reason for the result of undetermined was because the State Police made false reports and covered up vital information. I also would like to respond to a couple of postings that I read: One was the person that said that if they didn't know Mark they would think he was guilty, but because they did they new he wasn't. Well there were many people who Ted Bundy, and Jeffery Dahmer that thought they were nice guys and would never do what they did. Another posting was in regards to Melanie telling people she was sick with a terminal illness, well if you look at the patterns of women who are abused, many of them will say anything to explain bruises to friends and family. To the person who asked if Nancy is twitching, yes she is..... with excitement. One last thing, I also know Mark and wanted to believe he didn't do anything wrong, so I have some questions for him....Why did you take your oldest car? Why did it take you 45 minutes to drive to the location where you wrecked, when most people it would only take 15 minutes driving the speed limit? Last but not least (becasue there are to many unanswered questions) Why did you take the time to lock the house and your gates?

Twitch or not, may YOU never lose a child to unexplainable circumstances. Shame on all of you for not wondering what YOU would do if they told you there is NO reason for your child to of died EXCEPT by homicide by exclusion...jeez.

Houston murders:

I just now realized that Bill Houston, who posted a response to the recent post about the Stephanie Houston case, isn't just the father of Stephanie, the case Mark McCracken flubbed up on, he was also the father of Crystal Houston, another case on this web site! That poor man has had two daughters murdered and the NM cops don't give a damn about either of them! What the hell is going on in New Mexico?

Apparentely no one at channel 4 or 13 work at the Journal. The Journal did a good job with fair representations of both sides of the story.

Journal A+

KOB F
KRQE F

Houston Case:

Here is the Houston case in a nutshell. No witness intereviews were done for several months after Stephanie's death. I repeat several MONTHS, not hours, not days not even weeks. Pretty impressive supervision for a case that "LE (law enforcement) believes is intentional". It is widely known that most cases are solved within three days, when the police do their job. No reader, would believe that not interviewing a single witness before making a determination would be conceivable for an agency. Besides, since a criminal investigator was brought in at the get go, I think most police departments would make sure that he did the job he was assigned to do. Why would they give a homicide case to a patrolman?

Response:Bill Houston (Stephanie's father) responds:

Cops can make an accident into a murder, or they can make a murder into an accident, whatever they want to do. There are so many people out there who don’t even know what’s going on and will never find out until something like this happens to them. The police are getting paid to do a job by taxpayers and should be exposed, not only to the state they work in but to the whole United States for not doing their jobs.

Re: McCracken Alb Journal

Your right, it is amazing how people interpret things differently. Because I was talking about the article that came out today February 27th and no where in the article does it say anything about homicide. It gives a nice portrayal of both sides of the story. It also states that the autopsy report continues to rule "undetermined." The word homicide is used once in the entire article: "Harris said it wouldn't be "insurmountable" to bring homicide charges in a case where the cause of death hadn't been medically determined by autopsy." So I don't understand where in this article it claims that Melanie McCracken's death was a homicide.

Again, my appreciation towards Albuquerque Journal is for finally telling both sides of the story. They stayed impartial, unlike channel 4 or 13.

Re: McCracken -- the article in the Albq. Journal:

It's interesting how people can read the same newspaper article and get such different impressions.

It's true that the cause of Melanie McCracken's death was not specifically revealed in the second autopsy, but it apparently DID rule out everything OTHER than homicide.

Asked his personal opinion after the first autopsy, NM Chief Medical Investigator Dr. Ross Zumwalt stated, "I THINK I WOULD PUT SOME SORT OF VIOLENT ASSAULT AT THE TOP OF MY LIST." In this recent newspaper interview Zumwalt tells the reporter, "I CERTAINLY STAND BY THE PREVIOUS OPINION AND THE STATEMENTS I MADE IN MY PREVIOUS DEPOSITION."

The article also quotes Valencia County District Attorney Lemuel Martinez as stating, "This thing isn't over. We're moving forward."

Bravo to the Albuquerque Journal for writing a non-biased report. To whoever made the comment about whether or not Mark's eyes are twitching. I believe that it is Nancy Grice who is beginning to twitch.

To the person who complained about the web master's impartiality, I'm aware of at least two inflamatory posts about Mark McCracken's current wife that were deleted without comment within minutes of when they were posted. I think the web master is doing a great job trying to keep the discussions centered on the cases themselves.

Thu Feb 27 08:48:36 PST 2003

I haven't read anything on this web site or anywhere else where Nancy Grice was lauding herself as a perfect mother. All she has said that I'm aware of is that she wants a thorough and honest investigation of her daughter's suspicious death.

Whether or not she and Melanie got along well is beside the point. I suspect the McCracken clan is trying to use Mrs. Grice's relationship or alleged non-relationship with her daughter as a red herring to deliberately deflect attention from the circumstances surrounding this very strange death. As is mentioned below, Mrs. Grice is not a witness or suspect. Her only role in this situation is as a blood relative of Melanie's who wants Melanie's case solved.

Mark McCracken's friends and relatives understandably resent her for doing that. But the facts to discuss on this message board are the facts of the case itself, not Mrs. Grice's personality.

I also see no reason to say derogatory things about Melanie, unless the point you're trying to make is (1) Melanie was so disturbed that she committed suicide using some method that cannot be detected by the medical examiner or (2) Melanie's behavior was such that it drove someone to kill her.

Thu Feb 27 07:39:59 PST 2003

I did read the recent postings that have caused some controversy. I find it very confusing how Nancy Grice's integrity is not an important detail to this case. Let me ask this, if everything posted on this website turns out to be false; where will that leave you web master? I am very disturbed about this website now. I am questioning all the stories posted now. I feel very sorry for all the stories on here that have true merit. Maybe someone should start a website with substantiated, written, physical evidence that Nancy Grice was not the wonderful, loving mother she is claiming to be. Let me remind you all that in 8 years Mark McCracken has never been charged with "any" crime, but yet you all have convicted him. Where is the integrity and justice in that!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response:You are free to refute any statements made by Nancy Grice.

Ms. Grice's statements appear only in the Real Crimes report that she authored. She is not the author of any of the posts on this message board.

Wed Feb 26 19:14:53 PST 2003

What a Joke! All stories have two sides. This web-site is supposed to do what? Convict people without even a trial. Everyone is supposed to come on this web-site, and believe everything is just as it is stated. Even though the stories written are obviously only one side of the story.

If their is information that is important to letting people know the character of the people that are making claims against another individual. Then the "WEB MASTER" should let it remain on the post board. The message that I read (But did not write) earlier that is no longer available for the public to read was a matter of fact. Every person that come onto this web-site and accuses a person of murder is making a personal attack. So why do any of the messages get to stay.

Unless you let all messages be posted on your web-site, your web-site has no credibility and makes all the people with legitimate stories lose face, and credibility.

I am very disappointed in your ability to remain impartial.

Remember innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Response:From the web master: Please, familiarize yourself with the Terms of Servce agreement that you automatically commit to when you post on this message board. What you have attempted to post has nothing to do with this unsolved case and is both "libelous" and an "unwarranted invasion of the privacy" of an individual who is neither a suspect nor a witness.

No posts that support the innocence and/or good character of Mark McCracken have been deleted from this board. Nor have posts that speculate on possible alternative causes for Melanie McCracken's death.

Wed Feb 26 17:33:40 PST 2003

I sent a post to Real Crimes this morning, but somehow it did not get posted. Surely Real Crimes does not edit information being sent?? Perhaps I failed to push the SEND button. Sorry, so please allow me to repeat my post.

How many more Special Prosecutors are the taxpayers of New Mexico going to have to pay for since the Attorney General has withdrawn their Special Prosecutor when their Special Expert who was a forensic expert found nothing on the Melanie McCracken case.

Response:From the Web Master: Real Crimes does edit posts that do not conform to the Terms of Service Agreement that is linked to the posting board. The third paragraph of your post has been deleted.

Melanie McCracken

I was a neighbor of Mark & Melanie. I know Mark was NOT a "flandering husband". He was committed to their relationship more than anyone could ever know, especially not Melanie's mother who was rarely around. I believe Melanie must have done something to herself in an attempt to gain attention. I don't believe she was trying to cause her own death but she might have taken something unknown to all, ultimately caused her own demise.
I saw a statement made that paramedics were at the McCracken home on two occassions.I know first hand that there were NEVER any paramedics called to the McCracken house on ANY occassion. We were a close neighborhood and watched out for each other closely.

I can only hope and pray that this " special prosecutor" has the foresight to see what a sham this and to allow Melanie to rest in peace and allow Mark to get on with his life!

Wed Feb 26 05:39:06 PST 2003

McCracken and the Stephanie Houston case

Seems to be questions whether Mc Cracken was present at the scene.
The statement written: "After all, why would the state police list him as being there as the supervisor at the scene if he wasn't?"
Maybe you don't understand the purpose of this website. All the cases are about careless, non caring police detectives who have botched the investigations performed and covered up the murder which includes false reports. I have many documents and written reports that are false concerning my sons death. One report states, that a certain detective was at the scene and assisted the coroner removing the body and spoke to the victims sister. This detective was NOT at the scene! Why was this written? I have no idea other than it being included as part of the cover up.
It all goes back to the Golden Rule .....BLUE CODE OF SILENCE.... One lies, they all lie!

Wed Feb 26 04:53:20 PST 2003

Melanie McCraken: Overjoyed to hear about the Special Prosecutor that has been named. Justice will prevail. Beautiful young women do not just drop dead...especially just hours before they were planning on leaving their philandering husband. Hey Mark...are your eyes twitching yet?

GOOD WEBSITE
Aslam Rasoolpuri
Tue Feb 25 15:37:46 PST 2003

RE: Houston Case

Mark would be listed on the report as a supervisor because he was the shift supervisor. He might have even driven to the seen at 6:OO am. He probably even signed the report since he was the supervisor on duty that morning. However, that is very different than being the scene supervisor. Before these reports are turned in they must be signed by a supervisor and after all Nick Armenta's supervisor was Mark. Also, Sgt. McCracken was the supervisor who put Nick on special assignment to do follow up interviews and then agian a second time after the DA requested more follow up it was Sgt. Mccracken who changed the schedule to accomidate the District Attorney's request. I'm sure Officer Armenta could verify this information should anyone choose to call him and ask him.

McCracken and Stephanie Houston cases

New Mexico State Police report number 0135235 prepared by patrolman Nick Armenta dated 3/14/00 lists the supervisor at the scene as McCracken. I would recommend that the person who says he was not there, go ahead and pull the report. After all, why would the state police list him as being there as the supervisor at the scene if he wasn't?
Tue Feb 25 08:31:44 PST 2003

Folks Mark was not the scene supervisor he was the day shift supervisor. Again this easily verified. This was a criminal investigation. Mark was a uniform Sgt. That means he would not be running a criminal investigation. That is why the NMSP has criminal agents and a criminal division. Now most of the time a uniform officer will be the first to respond and then criminal is called out. Again this is easily proven by a simple call to the NMSP office. As for the comment about Mark making statements to the press, I would recommend you talk to head quaters in Santa Fe. These officers are not allowed to just make statements at will. Everything comes down from headquaters including what they can and can not say to the press.
Tue Feb 25 08:06:18 PST 2003

McCracken/Houston:

Mark McCracken's pretense on this message board that he was not the scene supervisor for the Stephanie Houston case, does not do much for his claims of integridy.
Tue Feb 25 07:44:33 PST 2003

I find it very sad that you people are so gullible to believe everything you read. It has been said a million times before that Marc McCracken is innocent and that is why he has not been put on supension or charged with any crime for 8 years. Get it through your thick skulls! I know you want someone to blame and Marc seems to be an easy target for you all, but one life has already been lost, are you trying to ruin another. Again I ask where is the physical evidence? If Nancy and her daughter were so close; how many times a year did they actually see each other? No one wants to believe that Marc is innocent because that is not a sensational story. Isn't that what America thrives on? Ruining peoples lives! The only story here is that Melanie McCracken's death was tragic and mysterious. The only person who really knows what happened is Melanie.

I agree with the posting below that the more you all try to degrade Marc McCracken, the less legitimate your own situation looks.
Tue Feb 25 06:53:13 PST 2003

McCracken:

The information in a post a couple below this one that Melanie's bladder was empty and her pants and panties were dry is creepy. The bladder always releases at the time of death. That would be the reason for the empty bladder.

For Melanie's panties to be dry, Mark McCracken would have had to have taken the time to change her clothing before putting her in the car. That's bizarre.

Tue Feb 25 06:01:57 PST 2003

why isn t mc cracken suspended at least ? i hope you find the truth and put them in jail. I know where not togo !
Mon Feb 24 18:11:34 PST 2003
Melanie McCracken:

Anyone making judgements based on half truths and twisted story lines read right here on real crimes is doing a dis-service to the cases that actually have merit on this site.\

You may side with the conspiracy theory in the McCracken case that the whole world is in involved in a cover up, but two autopsies, two investigations, two lie detector tests, a civil hearing and the re-opening and closing of this case side with Mark McCracken.

When you come on here and justify the lies that are being told to you, then you make it harder to read the other stories on this web site and believe what is said. You must know the whole story to make a educated judgement, and based on what you all say on this site, you clearly do not know the whole story. All we get to read here is what is said by the families. I would like to believe the stories as stated by their families, however when I know the whole story on the McCracken case and see how you all lie about the facts makes me wonder what half truths and twisted story lines are in the rest of these stories as well.
MPM
Mon Feb 24 06:12:19 PST 2003

Houston and McCracken:

Mark McCracken is clearly identified on the state police report as the scene supervisor for the Stephanie Houston report. There is no confusion as to his role. Further, his coming on scene at 6 am makes perfect sense. Since prior to that law enforcement at the scene were documented as believing Stephanie's killing was intentional. But without interviewing a single witness or obtaining physical evidence Mark McCracken provided the press with the statement that he had verified the killer's statement that Stephanie's death was accidental. Incidently Stephanie was killed six weeks after the state paid to settle the Grice case.

Melanie's death scene was never investigated. Art Ortiz, Mark McCracken's friend and subordinate made certain that there was no evidence collection. He went to the McCracken house at least twice and never followed NMSP policies and procedures by securing the residence when he was specifically told it was the place of death. Incidentally, Ortiz was the other state police officer who allowed Stephanie's killer to walk away scott free.

Melanie's pants and under pants were changed after her death. There was no urine in her bladder and her pants were clean and dry. Pretty hard to have physical evidence when you have several hours to clean up before leaving the house with a dead person.

Mark McCracken had a lot of help to get away with his actions. He nearly failed a polygraph scoring -4 when -6 is decietful and + 6 is truthful. Yet, the NMSP had shopped around for a polygrapher willing to give a re-test that violated NATIONAL POLYGRAPH STANDARDS to get him to pass the test. Four well respected top national polygraphers have all stated the test that McCracken allegedly passed would not stand up. And that -4 is alot closer to -6 than + 6 and the polygrapher should have redone the test exactly as initially given. Instead the polygrapher gave the test without asking a direct question about Melanie's death. No cover up?

Thu Feb 20 13:06:46 PST 2003

RE: Melanie McCracken

You cannot compare the Gregg case to this one without knowing everything that went on. They are not the same case and have no similarities. All the investigations have been done, the FACT is that there is no evidence to prove murder. There have been plenty of investigations and still no evidence. Consider that it is possible that Mark is innocent. There is no cover up, there is no conspiracy! The autopsy showed no signs of a struggle or any other evidence. The house at the time showed no signs of a struggle or anything else. Mark is mild mannered and always has been. It may upset you to hear us defend Mark but that is the way that it is. We are not going to sit around and let everyone believe that Mark is a murderer. You have a right to defend what you believe and we have the right to defend the innocense of Mark. You may not like it but thats how it is.

If you want to meet with me I would be happy to set up a meeting with you where we could discuss the situation in person. Just leave your name and phone number and I will contact you.
MPM

Response:

Response:Melanie's death scene was never investigated. Art Ortiz, Mark McCracken's friend and subordinate, made certain that there was no evidence collection.

(For more information, refer to the post a few up from this one.)

Thu Feb 20 12:30:48 PST 2003

In response to the below post about the Houston story and the ivolvement of Lt. Mccracken being scence investigator. First of all he was not. Lt. Mccracken came on duty at approximately 6:00 am that morning. The incident occured sometime after the bar closed at approximately 2:00 am. This is easily verified since these officers are required to keep daily logs, as well as checking in and out with the dispatchers. I am sure that there is a work schedule that can also verify this. I am sure that the NMSP office would be more than willing to provide this information to the proper authority.

Response:Mark McCracken is clearly identified on the state police report as the scene supervisor for the Stephanie Houston report. There is no confusion as to his role.

Further, his coming on scene at 6 am makes perfect sense. Since, prior to that, law enforcement at the scene were documented as believing Stephanie's killing was INTENTIONAL. But without interviewing a single witness or obtaining physical evidence, Mark McCracken provided the press with the statement that he had verified the killer's statement that Stephanie's death was ACCIDENTAL.

(For additional information, refer to the longer post a few up from this one.)

Thu Feb 20 11:58:15 PST 2003

Re: McCracken:

To the person who posted, "Every night I thank God that there are outstanding officers on the streets like Marc McCracken."

For an example of Mark McCracken's sterling performance as an investigator, read the Stephanie Houston case report on this same Real Crimes web site.
Thu Feb 20 10:27:34 PST 2003

Melanie McCracken

Yes, Melanie's death was a tragey and I sypothize with any mother who loses a daughter. But to everyone who is talking about the "facts" you show me what physical evidence Nancy Grice has that Marc McCracken hurt her or had anything to do with her death. She has been interviewed by dateline, channel 13, the Tribune and I have yet to see any mention of any physical evidence that there was foul play. There are many family members on the McCracken side who spent holidays and family functions with her quite frequently. Why hasn't the media contacted any one on Marc's side. Or do we just care about what Nancy Grice has to "say". My question is, in the eighteen months that Marc and Melanie were married how many holidays or family functions did they spend with Nancy? (considering they were so close)

If you can't tell anger runs thick on both sides of the story. Maybe everyone needs to remember that Marc is not the only one involved here. He has a bueatiful family that deals with these attacks every day. Don't you think if Marc was such a violent person that he would be violent with them also.

Every night I thank God that there are outstanding officers on the streets like Marc McCracken.
JMM

Wed Feb 19 15:34:32 PST 2003

Melanie McCracken

Well the real OMI autopsy report was publicly released today (Melanie would have turned 33 today). And it looks like Nancy Grice was right when she appeared on Channel 13 Krqe. The autopsy an addedendum to the original report found no evidence of death by the auto accident, suicide or natural diseases. It did not rule out the possiblitiy of death by a violent and unnatural means as it allowed that line to remain from the first report.

According to the Death Investigator's Handbook by Louis Eliopulos as far as death by smothering (suffocation) "unless a gag or other item such as sand packed into the airway or a plastic bag is found over the head, autopsy findings will usually be inconclusive." Further, "in deaths due to smothering, asphyxia occurs by obstructing the respiratory openings by covering the nose and mouth of an individual."

It has NOTHING to do with the neck or strangulation.
Wed Feb 19 09:41:31 PST 2003

I peeked into this message board last night, and was in such a rage at some of the messagss left for Nancy Grice, that I decided at that time it was not right for me to respond. I have come back today and I really doubt that my angered has subsided one bit. I have noticed the same reaction to many of the victims' family members here. I guess if you can't disprove them with the truth, torture them until they fade into the woodwork, or better yet until you drive us over the edge.

I wish I could not have seen some of the garbage that was printed here to inform Nancy that she is wrong. Why don't you print some facts and the evidence to back them up? Why not have the courage give your name or your or email address? I think I know the reason. You don't have any proof to back up your claims. You can state that the police did this or said this, but the police are the exact same people that are trying to cover this up.

I know all too well what can be said about the victim and/or their family and friends. My son was murdered by a known police informant and we did get a conviction, but it wasn't done by Curly, Moe, and Larry (Det Green, SA MNBCA Graber, and Police Chief Hanson). This conviction came about because of a handful of kids and the knowing of family and friends that Gregg was brutally murdered. We have given everything in this fight and will continue to give more than we have at this time. We have worn a wire to get the cops on tape (turnabout is fair play) we have recorded most of the phone calls for over 4 years and have suffered through looking at crime scene photos, and even another autopsy(which could prove nothing, since all the organs needed had been removed and destroyed). We have endured not only a trial and the appeals, but a civil case, a private investigation and 5 years of doing nothing but reliving this over and over. For what? For the love of our son and believing that someone should have to pay for what he did. If our children don't matter, than no one's children do. Try dealing with that in your lives. This is the same thing Melanie's Mom has endured and I can tell you that is the worst nightmare anyone can live through.

I found my son's body, and the cops immediately labeled me hysterical and in shock. So WHAT? It didn't make me blind, deaf and stupid. I know what I found, saw and felt, and I would not give in, no matter who tried to convince me otherwise (they called it reasoning with me). In the end I proved I was telling the truth and they were the ones lying.

The guy that told Nancy to quit slashing out at the world. I saw no such thing. The only ones that she is slasing out at, are the exact people that we are supposed to depend on in the case of murder, the cops,supposedly protectors and servers. Oh for the goodness of only a typical psycho killing your child. Do you know how simple that would be? Are we just supposed to sit back and take the lies about our murdered child and ourselves? If so, WHY???? To give everyone else peace of mind. Wouldn't you rather know the truth and then deal with it? If there are cops getting away with murder or covering up a murder, then wouldn't it be better to face it, and get officers that will do their best if this were to happen to someone you love? Are we just suppossed to hero worship these people because some of you think so? Blind faith in anything is very dangerous for ourselves and society as a whole, whether it is in a religious sense or just believing in a system that has been proven time and again to be corrupt.

To the gentleman that suggested taking up his belief in jesus, well you do what you have to, and we will do what we have to do. I feel people like Nancy are stronger than anyone that falls back on religion for all the answers. Remember most of you tell us that god helps those that help themselves, unless of course we do it on the backs of the corrupt, then we are rabble rousers, boat rockers, wave makers etc.

Well my answer to that has always been the same thing. Since Gregg was murdered about the time of the movie Titanic came out. I said I don't make waves, they are the Titanic and I am the f*ckin iceberg.

Nice to meet you Nancy, or should I say fellow iceberg? I am behind you and am so glad that you loved your child so much, that you won't let this go. I hope all the ones that think we are wrong will someday get to the pearly gates to be greeted by a very angry guy asking WHAT TO HELL DID YOU THINK YOU WERE DOING TO THESE MOTHERS THAT ONLY LOVED THE GREATEST GIFT THAT I COULD HAVE GIVEN TO THEM? WHAT DID YOU DO TO HELP? WHY DID YOU TRY TO STOP THEM??

Sharon Meissner aka Gregg's Mom Gregg's case is on the real crime site, and we ain't finished yet. That will come when all this is shown for what it is, or I have breathed my last breath. If any of you were to know me, you would realize that even in death, I would make sure that I left something behind to keep fighting.

Wed Feb 19 09:24:55 PST 2003

Melanie McCracken
Responding to the 4th post down.

The story about bruises around her neck and the paramedics showing up is not true and never happened. On dateline they said that they couldn't find records of the paramedics being at their house and insinuated that it was a cover up. Well there are no records because it never happened. This is not a conspiracy and the whole world is not covering anything up. Mark has always cooperated with all the investigations and exumings.

Second point......Melanie was the one who said she had Lukemia, she had the whole family believing she had lukemia, and like I said before she had a VOLUNTARY historectomy by her own choice. This is not something that Mark was trying to convince anyone of. It is what he believed based on what Melanie told him. He also never said that she died in the car wreck. There is no cover up, there is no conspiracy. The only crime that is going on now is the slander of a good Police officer by you people and the news media.
MPM

< Tue Feb 18 07:31:30 PST 2003

Melanie McCracken:

To the person who posted below, maybe it is GOD who has given Mrs. Grice the strength to continue her search for the truth about her daughter's very suspiciious death.

The fact that a husband would on two occasions explain away bruises on his wife's neck and shoulders by lying to paramedics and telling them his wife had leukemia would be enough to alert any mother that something wasn't right when the girl suddenly turned up dead and the husband again hauled out the leukemia story.

Mon Feb 17 20:57:01 PST 2003

Re: Melanie McCracken

Mrs. Grice, your daughter died (according to the report you gave on TV,) of an undetermined cause according to the initial autopsy performed and also the second one of which your daughter's body was exhumed by permission of Mr. McCracken. I lost a healthy, strong sixteen year old child who had his whole life before him and I know first hand that losing a child is a very bitter pill to swallow. The diagnosis "undetermined cause" which was the cause of death of your child, is a shared diagnosis by many families who have lost healthy, young loved ones. We cannot find logical reasons why our children had to die (GOD'S WILL won't satisfy us), so we try to place the blame on someone--most of the time it is someone we love. We know our children must grow and make their own way in life, but as a parent we try to hold on to them, rather it be in life or death. Quit slashing out at the world before it consumes you. Remember the good times as well as the bad times you had with your child and place everything else in the hands of our SAVIOR. HE knows everything. HE solves everything in many different ways. Give HIM the chance to bring peace and love into your heart. HE IS OUR SALVATION AND OUR LIFE.

Mon Feb 17 13:58:53 PST 2003

Re: Melanie McCracken

I'm responding to the post below this one: "Perhaps she (Melanie's mother) should look closer at why her daughter was the way she was instead of laying the blame for her death on Mark McCracken."

The "way Melanie McCracken WAS" is DEAD!!!! And that's exactly what Malanie's mother is looking closely at -- WHY MELANIE WAS THE WAY SHE WAS.

If she didn't die of cancer -- didn't die in the suspicious car wreck -- didn't die of a drug overdose, then what did she die of?

Mon Feb 17 08:00:23 PST 2003

Re: Mark McCracken

I have known Mark McCracken for over 5 years and find the coverage of this case on TV to be so one sided that it is totally unbelievable. The Mark McCracken that I know is quiet and mild mannered and I have never seen him raise his voice even when it might be warranted. If I didn't know Mark and had watched the Dateline and Channel 4 coverage of this story I would think that he was guilty of murdering Melanie, but since I do know him I know that these stories are false. I no longer watch Channel 4 News as their only interest is sensationlizing the story and only reporting things that will further their version of the it instead of the truth. I sympathize with Melanie's mother on her loss but perhaps she should look closer at why her daughter was the way she was instead of laying the blame for her death on Mark McCracken.

Thu Feb 13 06:12:46 PST 2003

Melanie McCracken

No one ever said that strangulation was the least detectable form of homicide. The statement was asphyxia and in the case of Melanie meant that she was suffocated. There is a difference. Strangulation is the compression of the neck. Suffocation is the blocking of the nose and mouth prohibiting breathing (smothering). This is taught annually at the OMI conference each September attended by law enforcement through out the state and is referred to as "Burking". The purpose in teaching this training is to alert law enforcement officers who respond to an unattended death to process the scene appropriately. Of course as pointed out beautifully by Dateline NBC, Channel 13 KRQE and Channel 4 KOB, that two state police officers, both subordinates and friends of Mark McCracken, did not secure the death scene despite being at the house with OMI when OMI pronounced the bedroom as the scene of death. They failed to call the criminalistics team or to even notify there own superiors that the house was the place of death. Therefore, no physical evidence was collected at the house.

The loyalty that you show for your friend is not to be dismissed and hopefully he appreciates that. But there is far more truth to what Nancy Grice, Channel 13 and Channel 4 have said than anything offered by Mark McCracken. You weaken your arguments by launching into personal attacks against them for seeking the truth. It is hard to believe that were you in Nancy's position that you would not seek answers too.

One of the reasons the state sought to block discussion of the lawsuit, was becasue there was testimony under oath that Mark McCracken was walking around the accident scene, and the testimony was from someone favorable to him not to Nancy Grice. In addition, there was testimony from OMI that said that asphyxia was high on the list of probable causes of death. Finally, despite being asked for proof that Melanie claimed to have cancer, no letters were produced during by Mark McCracken during the civil litigation, so it is highly doubtful that the letters would ever be viewed as authentic. Finally, Melanie had only one doctor in adulthood. All of her medical records going back to her childhood were produced in the lawsuit.

Wed Feb 12 20:17:19 PST 2003

RE: Melanie McCracken

I know that it upsets some of you that I know more about the case then just what Nancy Grice has reported on the news. Unfortunetely for you I will continue to let the people who visit this site know what the real truth is.

Fact: I knew Melanie. I talked to Melanie more than anyone else in my group that also knew her. I liked Melanie and got along with her very well. She liked to pick on me by telling me the Miami Dolphins were better than the team that I like. We joked around alot when we were together. I have never had anything against Melanie regardless of what was said by others who had a different opinion of her.

In response to the person who said how could Mark not have talked to her doctors. My question to you is, which of her approximately 40 doctors would you have liked him to talk to.

The person who said that he was insulted by the statement that Police officers are taught that strangulation is the least traceable way to kill someone, and that they would wait to hear both sides of the story. This is the most intelligent person on this whole web site. I am very happy to hear that not everyone is so quick to condemn.

Just so that everyone knows......there have not ever been any charges pressed against Mark McCracken...There have been plenty of investigations and not even one trace of any evidence that anything out of the ordinary happened. Nancy Grice would have you believe that all of New Mexico is in a conspiracy to cover up a murder. How about the notion that there was "NO MURDER". It makes more sense than thinking that Hundreds of people are covering for a person they probably barely know or don't know at all.

In all the times that I talked to Melanie not one time did I ever hear Nancy Grices name. Not that I ever talked to Melanie about it but I was lead to believe that Melanie and her mother did not get along.

Mark McCracken is Innocent, do not believe the lies and twisted truth of Nancy Grice.

M(P)M

Response:In response to the question, "Which of her approximately 40 doctors would you have liked him (Mark) to talk to?", Melanie had only one doctor in adulthood. All of Melanie's medical records going back to her childhood were produced in the law suit. (See complete message above, posted Feb 13.)

Wed Feb 12 19:43:27 PST 2003

While I try to remain unbiased on these posts, this is one instance I cannot. I would like to share a few comments on the Melanie McCracken Case. I’ve watched the Dateline Story, as well as what local New Mexico News stations were broadcasting on this case and with the exception of 7 News, it appears viewers of the other stations (13 and 4) are being forced on Nancy Grice’s opinion. I noticed a few posts down; there is reference to law enforcement agencies being taught that asphyxiation is the least detectable way to kill someone. As a male law enforcement officer, not New Mexico State Police, a metro area officer, or a Mark McCracken groupie, I take personal offense to this comment. I see a reply coming to this post saying that I’m on the “Blue Wall of Silence” because of my position, but I say the facts in this case, or should I say the lack of facts in this case lead me to believe Nancy Grice is reaching for something that isn’t there while the news stations (13 and 4) continue to boost their ratings off of a dead woman. While I’m sympathetic for Nancy’s loss, I don’t believe the autopsy report said anything such as foul play being a factor in this investigation (that’s Nancy Grice’s opinion according to her interview with Channel 13.) In conclusion, ALL NM News Stations said it well when they said, “The cause and manner of death in this case remains undetermined”, they did not state, “Melanie McCracken was murdered.” Though I foresee criticism by my comments here, I do believe both sides of this story need to be heard before judgment is passed.

Response:Please, see the elaboration on the asphyxiation statement, posted above on Feb. 13.

Wed Feb 12 15:25:43 PST 2003

Melanie McCracken:

This situation gets more and more interesting as people post on this message board.

MBM: "Mark is not a doctor and can only believe what Melanie told him (that she was dying of cancer)." What sort of husband would distance himself so totally from a beloved wife who told him she was dying of cancer that he wouldn't bother to speak to her physicians to confirm the prognosis and find out if radiation or chemo would help her? If MBM's statement is true, it makes Mark out to be some kind of monster.

"She (Mrs. Grice) got her money." Does that imply there was a civil suit and Mark was found guilty? Like OJ? Or that he settled out of court to avoid the possibility of being found guilty?

Concerned citizen
Wed Feb 12 11:00:19 PST 2003

Melanie McCracken

Interesting to think that someone believes its okay for the state of New Mexico and its employees to enter into a confidentiality agreement, not gag order, and believe that it should prevent a criminal investigation into a murder. Public won't sign off on that. A variety of high ranking state police officers including deputy chiefs have spoken out publicly as have those who conducted the inquiry on behalf of the state. By the way CPR 101- check to see if breathing THAN CALL 911 and remain on the phone while doing CPR. Those trained in CPR, such as law enforcement personnel, know that don't they?

Wed Feb 12 10:32:27 PST 2003

Let's look at what is known. When Mark McCracken found Melaine - she was blue. As per Dateline - CPR 101 always states check for obstructed airway, so why would you think something is blocking her airway if she is was blue. Next, at the end of Date Line the reporter states there is a Gag Order on the case. One that Mrs. Grice agreeded to. According to Dateline, she has no intention of honoring. Why should she? She got her money - yet Mr. McCracken, who is obeying the court order is BLASTED. Makes one wonder what would happen if he were to violated that court order.

Wed Feb 12 08:45:17 PST 2003

Melanie McCracken

Let's look at what is known. Melanie died in the McCracken home. Mark McCracken was the only person home when she died. Melanie did not have any terminal illnesses and did not die from a drug over dose. Mark McCracken provided false and misleading information to his own agency as well as OMI specifically to direct attention away from himself. Especially interesting since he told the state police that he believed Melanie died when "something cut off her wind". There was no obstruction to block off her wind, so some outside force cut off her wind. Ironic that state police and other law enforcement are taught that the least detectable way to kill someone is to asphyxiate them.

Wed Feb 12 08:26:39 PST 2003

Melanie McCracken:

Why do you say "the Mcrackens have not been able to give their side of the story"? Reporters are eager to interview Officer McCracken. NBC Dateline filmed a one hour special on the Melanie McCracken case and Officer McCracken refused to appear on it. He had the same opportunity to be interviewed as Mrs. Grice did and he turned it down.

If the letters Officer McCracken told you were written by Melanie discussing her fatal illness are authentic, that fatal illness will be revealed in the second autopsy. I guess we'll have to wait for that information.

You make an interesting observation about Melanie's father's apparent non-involvement in Mrs. Grice's effort to uncover the truth about their daughter's death. In reading through the case reports on this web site, with a few noteable exceptions, it's almost always the mothers, not the fathers, who are willing to go up against the system to try to find out the truth about their children's suspicious deaths. And they say women are the weaker sex?!!!
Wed Feb 12 07:35:19 PST 2003

The Mcracken's have not been able to give their side of the story. I am a friend of the Mccracken family. I have personally reviewed letters that Melanie wrote to her husband stating that she had a terminal illness and that now she could make the most of the time she had left with her husband. She also makes inferences to the mal treatment by her mother not father and how she never felt loved. I too, was a skeptic until these letters. Up to now we have heard only from Mrs. Grice. What about Melanie's father? You can not help but feel sorry for anyone who loses a child, however to continue to place blame where it DOES NOT BELONG is just plain wrong.

Response:During the civil litigation, Mark McCracken was asked to provide proof that Melanie claimed to have cancer. If those letters were authentic, don't you think he would have produced them at that time?

Re: Melanie McCracken case

I am from Albuquerque. I have never met Mrs. Grice or any other member of Melanie McCracken's family. I felt sad for Sgt. McCracken back in 1995 when I read his statement in the paper that his wife died of cancer. I believed it because the State Police Dept. said the same thing.

Now that I've read the Real Crimes report by Melanie's mother saying Melanie didn't have cancer I am very confused. Did she have cancer or didn't she?

It's not very likely that a second autopsy after this many years would show soft tissue injuries resulting from strangulation. But it would certainly show whether or not Melanie had cancer. That's what I'm interested in knowing. If the results of the second autopsy show she did NOT have cancer like her husband said she did, then Sgt. McCracken becomes very suspicious in my mind.

Wed Feb 12 05:55:29 PST 2003

Re Melanie McCracken case: The information that channel 7 has OMI's autopsy report is dead wrong. They don't. MPM is more than welcome to cut and paste autopsy quotes from the official autopsy when it is released.

Tue Feb 11 22:07:13 PST 2003

Melanie McCracken case, Isn't it interesting that Ms. Grice has to tell lies to get herself on the news. The Office of the medical investigator has released the results of the "Second" Autopsy and for the second time it shows "No Foul Play". Channel 7 has a copy of the second autopsy and for the second day straight has confirmed that there was "No Foul Play". Ms. Grice had to lie to channel 13 KRQE in Albuquerque just to get her face on television again. Neither Channel 13 Krqe or channel 4 Kob even tries to get the truth about what is going on before they report it. A true investigation would involve getting the facts about a story before it is reported. No taking the word or a person whose hidden agenda is to get herself on television for self admiration. Mark McCracken is Innocent and all anyone has to do to find the truth is to look at the facts. Do not believe all that you hear, you have only heard one side of the story and the other side will be coming out shortly. Everyone will see Ms. Grice for the Twister of Truth that she is. Why else would she have to lie about the autopsy report to get her self on Television. Ms. Grice Tell the Truth. Channel 13 Krqe, and Channel 4 Kob do some real investigating and not just tabloid sensationalism. Ask the right people and you will get the truth.

From: MPM
Mon Feb 10 22:24:25 PST 2003 Re: Melanie McCracken case:

After seven and one-half years of Mr. Mark McCracken professing his innocence, the evidence has again confirmed, for a second time, "No Evidence of Foul Play." Is this the vindication you are looking for? Lets see if District Attorney Lemuel Martinez has the courage and professionalism to respect the findings of the medical experts and allow Melanie McCracken to finally rest in peace.

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